Speedway fan Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 No tac subs but reserve subs allowed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, guitar_art said: I would like to take some time to look at one or two points made in this post that I think are incorrect. Firstly I disagree with the assesment of Zach but I guess thats just a difference of opinion. "We all saw that no one rode the outside all night as there was no dirt, no grip and no point doing so " To the contrary Kennett spent much of his time after his first two heats riding right round the outside. As for there being no dirt on the track. Whilst I would be the first to agree that the track has been slick so far this season, last nights track had the most dirt on it that I have seen for a long time. I have first hand knowledge of this because I had a rake in hand pulling it of the fence all night. Also James Shanes pulled of a couple of outside passes during the night so there was definatley a point in trying. As mentioned in the program there is a rarity of shale available at the moment and I know we are trying to source some. "The meeting was over by heat five and we only looked better in the later part of the meeting as Eastbourne relaxed and eased off. " The heat times dont support this hypothesis and niether did the racing. I had more to say but then I took a look at the Brummies forum to find that someone had said it better and more succinct than I can. So I am going to repeat that post here (hoping the person in question does not mind.) I will say this though. I understand the frustration. I share it. I understand the worry and share it. I hate seeing my beloved Brummies lose. And after the first 7 heats last night I was ready to dig a hole and jump down it. However the next 8 heats were far far better and I was impressed that we didnt just throw in the towel and showed a lot of courage on what would have been a very difficult night for them. They didnt throw in the towel so Im not going to. The post I was reffering to follows. So its nearly 24 hours on and perhaps the dust is starting to settle (quite literally) on last nights performance. Lets start with a reality check - at the end of last season there were few if any who wished to remain in the third tier of racing. Because of what happened in the Phillips era we all knew we were a club with no riding assets so our journey in putting together a team was going to be a long one and because we had the 'chicken & egg' situation of needing assets before we met the Championship entry requirements but couldn't really sign assets until we were 'in' it must have been a pretty thankless task. When you compare that to last nights opponents Eastbourne who because of the demise of Lakeside and the switch of the promotion they had a ready made list of quality experienced assets who they are now able to use. Now the 7 we have started with may not be the best in the league but they have been put together on a budget that hopefully ensures we last the season - something I am not convinced all other clubs will achieve. Watching the last three home matches, and the last two against fellow Championship clubs in particular, each of our riders have shown, albeit in glimpses, that they have the ability to win races around Perry Barr. Just look at last night, 5 of our 7 were paid for winning races and of the two that didn't one was Paco who as probably been the brightest spark of the season so far. I really don't think the effort they are putting in can be questioned (look at Tobias 2nd ride last night when he pushed all of the way for no reward) but its not their fault if at the moment on a regular basis they are not as good as the riders they are being asked to race against. One thing they do all need to work on though is their gating which is absolutely dreadful and if they cant get that right then perhaps we need to 'fix' the track accordingly! I sincerely hope we don't make wholesale changes and we persevere with what we've got now - I'm not convinced the crowds will drop considerably just because we aren't winning (if we are honest could they get much poorer than last night?) but the sense of achievement when this team does win (and despite what others think I do believe we will break our duck) will be fantastic for all who witness it. I don't want us to become Poole - a side that switches and drops riders at the drop of a hat to fit the averages - but I do want to see our team of racers given a chance. brilliant post, I'm not sure some who comment actually go to some matches. Plenty of passing as you say from both sides although our lads had to do more of it as they invariable missed the starts. The track looks smoother and less bumpy than it did and as you say once they get some decent shale will only improve. In most races after heat 7 they were the ones "hanging on to places" and the team spirit in 3-4 races where we started to fight back was evident. I agree too about us having to start from scratch, no doubt that Eastbourne had help with Cook taking Lawson, Morley and Bowtell with him, Kennett simply went home, Wood and Brennan already there so in reality only had to source one rider in Kerr. Our task was much harder and having been down there twice this season clear their crowds are at least double those of ours and probably a lot less rent to pay. We have found ourselves in a Shield Group with a team who came down with 3 top quality heat leaders and a winning mentality ; a team moving up with 3 top quality heat leaders imported in and what seems massive positive momentum commercially and energy wise, we will only be able to judge ourselves I think against the likes of Redcar' Berwick and Scunthorpe, no disrepect to them but I believe teams with similar crowd levels and similar battles in the past few years that we are having now to establish a proper base. One win as you say and it'll be blue skies over Perry Barr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Kev Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, guitar_art said: "The meeting was over by heat five and we only looked better in the later part of the meeting as Eastbourne relaxed and eased off. " The heat times dont support this hypothesis and niether did the racing. I had more to say but then I took a look at the Brummies forum to find that someone had said it better and more succinct than I can. So I am going to repeat that post here (hoping the person in question does not mind.) I will say this though. I understand the frustration. I share it. I understand the worry and share it. I hate seeing my beloved Brummies lose. And after the first 7 heats last night I was ready to dig a hole and jump down it. However the next 8 heats were far far better and I was impressed that we didnt just throw in the towel and showed a lot of courage on what would have been a very difficult night for them. They didnt throw in the towel so Im not going to. There's times when you can put a positive spin on it but honestly last night for me just wasn't acceptable, I was really disappointed. The score after them awful 7 heats was 13-29 and even after abit better next 8 heats we still lost be a margin of 16 points!. Its no positive that we avoided a drubbing and only lost by 16 which is resounding enough. People are totally right to feel annoyed, angry and disappointed after last night but I hope we all keep the coming every week and give the side our full support in the coming meetings. We need a reaction from the team next week against Berwick, better gating and more consistency from some of the riders is needed so we can avoid a night last night again. Edited May 2, 2019 by Brummie Kev 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 At the end of the day, like I've previously stated.... 'We've only had 2 competitive 'home' meetings' ? give the boys a chance to bed in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 6 hours ago, GiveusaB said: A reserve can replace the No.2 rider Correct,my mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedway fan Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Correct,my mistake. or the other reserve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitten2502 Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 7 hours ago, ProudtobeaBrummie said: ……. it looks like Mr rogers has a been trying to sell a single bonus ball card for months and cant fill it . Some people seem to be getting hacked off with that thread as it does appear to be getting rather farical. He keeps putting who would of won if the card had been completed hahahaha . Cue Brian buck and Guitar art responding shortly towing the club/management line. Hopefully you'll see I'm neither Brian Buck nor Guitar Art...……. Why exactly are you mocking somebody who is actually trying to raise money to improve the club amenities for the junior riders? Or is it just because it's Laurence Rogers who is actively trying to get the work done? I think you'll find that it's the second "Bonus Ball" sweepstake which is taking a while to sell & that was only instigated by people requesting another! But don't let the truth get in the way eh...……... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianbuck Posted May 3, 2019 Report Share Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) It seems that GA and myself are being "challenged" to respond to the earlier post, si can I say that I am not and never have been, involved in any way in the administration or the operation of the Birmingham forum. I am a regular poster on this, but nothing more. I have no problem at all with anyone having differing opinions to myself - or in them airing them! I do know the people who run the forum though.They are genuine, fair-minded people and have never banned anyone for their views - only when their comments are either offensive or personal - and this seems to be the norm with all club's supporters' forums. The Brummies performance last Wednesday was deplorable - it doesn't require an expect to recognise that, and it is also clear that much better performances will be required if the team is to make any impression at all this season. Having said this though, we have had, discounting the opening meeting with Wolverhampton, which none of us expected to win, two home meetings, both against what I feel are a couple of the League's stronger clubs, one of which produced a narrow defeat from what the majority of supporters agree was a creditable effort, and one pretty awful showing last Wednesday, so it is hardly fair to rubbish the whole team on the strength of just two matches? Personally, I think the make up of our team is very fragile and that we will need all seven of our team to at least ride to form if we are going to register a few wins, but I'm prepared to give all the riders a reasonable chance so whilst there will be a few ready to throw in the towel after two meetings, I hope the majority will do likewise.If that's "blinkered" or "towing the management line" then so be it! Edited May 3, 2019 by brianbuck 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted May 3, 2019 Report Share Posted May 3, 2019 On 5/2/2019 at 1:55 PM, ProudtobeaBrummie said: I am critical of Mr Rogers but that is purely/solely on a professional level in terms of his management of the Birmingham Brummies absolutely nothing personal at all. If this is the case i find it quite childish and pathetic of the management .If they expect me to give them £19.50 every other week to not be allowed to give my own assessment of what i continue to spend my money on well they can STICK IT. Well after this revelation i shall do the management a favour and i shall not been seen at Perry Barr any time soon . For an extra £1.50 i shall watch go more regular to monmore than i do now to get my speedway fix. May we hope that you will also cease to post on Brummies threads? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, ProudtobeaBrummie said: Yes i was going to until i read this post ,but now i know it annoys some old fart from great barr who i see every other day i think i shall continue . Well, if that sort of thing makes you happy ... everyone can now see why this person was banned from the Brummies forum, for persistent trolling and personal insults. Edited May 4, 2019 by *JJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 (edited) On 5/4/2019 at 5:56 PM, Richard Weston said: Hate to intrude but in these tough times for the Brummies, can I just suggest (and hope) that people take care with what they say and do. Many years ago, there was a 'feeding frenzy' online about Eastbourne. Whether people's complaints were justified, or not, the comments did harm. They sapped morale throughout the club and it fed to sponsors. It was not a pretty. Maybe Birmingham speedway needs to put someone 'up' to be the face of the club to answer queries/complaints etc...most of which are best done in private as feedback. We are fortunate at Eastbourne that the club's directors 'get it' - Jon and Ian welcome feedback (done properly, of course) and when long queues built up at the turnstiles, they went to talk to the supporters waiting to explain what was going on and that we wouldn't miss a race. It's a two-way street from both the club and supporters point of view. Just be nice. Great post! Edited May 5, 2019 by GiveusaB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 Looking at the forecast for Wednesday, the weather question will be rearing its ugly head all over again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted May 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 On 5/4/2019 at 1:02 PM, *JJ said: Well, if that sort of thing makes you happy ... everyone can now see why this person was banned from the Brummies forum, for persistent trolling and personal insults. ???? never been banned from that forum . only ever posted on there twice . What a silly old man you are . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted May 6, 2019 Report Share Posted May 6, 2019 On 5/2/2019 at 6:48 PM, guitar_art said: Now the 7 we have started with may not be the best in the league but they have been put together on a budget that hopefully ensures we last the season - something I am not convinced all other clubs will achieve. Watching the last three home matches, and the last two against fellow Championship clubs in particular, each of our riders have shown, albeit in glimpses, that they have the ability to win races around Perry Barr. Just look at last night, 5 of our 7 were paid for winning races and of the two that didn't one was Paco who as probably been the brightest spark of the season so far. I really don't think the effort they are putting in can be questioned (look at Tobias 2nd ride last night when he pushed all of the way for no reward) but its not their fault if at the moment on a regular basis they are not as good as the riders they are being asked to race against. One thing they do all need to work on though is their gating which is absolutely dreadful and if they cant get that right then perhaps we need to 'fix' the track accordingly! I sincerely hope we don't make wholesale changes and we persevere with what we've got now - I'm not convinced the crowds will drop considerably just because we aren't winning (if we are honest could they get much poorer than last night?) but the sense of achievement when this team does win (and despite what others think I do believe we will break our duck) will be fantastic for all who witness it. I have referred to my view on this before and apologise for repeating it again. The thing is having a budget team can, in the end, result in a worse financial position than spending too much. Many speedway fans are horrendously fickle and want to see the team win, especially at home. If you start with a budget team, fans will see it and think hard about coming. If you hit the ground running with that team, you'll be OK. If not, the floating supporter won't come and you will lose some that gave the club the chance in the first place. You then have a most difficult job to get them back. The best example is Sheffield 2011/12. In 2011, the Tigers finished second in the PL with a heat leader trio of Parker, Auty & Ashworth but lost money. To try to remedy that, for 2012 they started with Franc, Hall & Wells as heat leaders. They ended up second bottom and losses at least doubled. A budget team doesn't necessarily mean survival. On the contrary, it can mean financial disaster. I very much respect your optimism here. The reality of the situation, however, is made for me by Brummie Kev's honest post above and given that he has stated his continuing loyalty despite being critical it would be most foolish to ignore him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted May 6, 2019 Report Share Posted May 6, 2019 9 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said: I have referred to my view on this before and apologise for repeating it again. The thing is having a budget team can, in the end, result in a worse financial position than spending too much. Many speedway fans are horrendously fickle and want to see the team win, especially at home. If you start with a budget team, fans will see it and think hard about coming. If you hit the ground running with that team, you'll be OK. If not, the floating supporter won't come and you will lose some that gave the club the chance in the first place. You then have a most difficult job to get them back. The best example is Sheffield 2011/12. In 2011, the Tigers finished second in the PL with a heat leader trio of Parker, Auty & Ashworth but lost money. To try to remedy that, for 2012 they started with Franc, Hall & Wells as heat leaders. They ended up second bottom and losses at least doubled. A budget team doesn't necessarily mean survival. On the contrary, it can mean financial disaster. I very much respect your optimism here. The reality of the situation, however, is made for me by Brummie Kev's honest post above and given that he has stated his continuing loyalty despite being critical it would be most foolish to ignore him. Someone ITK at PB has told me 2 signings are imminent -one a returning rider with good PL regular /CL Heat Leader level experience and the other a leading NL level rider for several seasons . I know names but can't divulge but I think supporters will be very pleased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted May 6, 2019 Report Share Posted May 6, 2019 39 minutes ago, HGould said: Someone ITK at PB has told me 2 signings are imminent -one a returning rider with good PL regular /CL Heat Leader level experience and the other a leading NL level rider for several seasons . I know names but can't divulge but I think supporters will be very pleased. I think I heard the same thing this afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlata prilba Posted May 6, 2019 Report Share Posted May 6, 2019 Presume one of them used to ride for Brum in the NL and was pretty much unbeatable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted May 7, 2019 Report Share Posted May 7, 2019 14 hours ago, zlata prilba said: Presume one of them used to ride for Brum in the NL and was pretty much unbeatable Is he the one who's biding his time before taking over from Peter Kildemand in the Stal Gorzów team in Poland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted May 7, 2019 Report Share Posted May 7, 2019 Ellis,( yes) Hume??? Davey? JPB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Kev Posted May 7, 2019 Report Share Posted May 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Ellis,( yes) Hume??? Davey? JPB? Ellis and Stoneman been confirmed. Happy with both signings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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