Brummies v Eagles 1.5.19

[ProudtobeaBrummie]

13 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said:

On the team front i hope the season turns around for the Birmingham fans but i must say the side looks woefully weak and unbalanced.Also at the start of the season i was amazed that both Bacon/ Hume were not included   maybe Tom wanted to ride at Peterborough maybe Danyon's injury record were the reasons.??

Unfortunately Tom was offered a ride while we were in our Limbo period of championship or National league and quite rightly for himself he took it . 

[Sings4Speedway]

8 minutes ago, ProudtobeaBrummie said:

Unfortunately Tom was offered a ride while we were in our Limbo period of championship or National league and quite rightly for himself he took it . 

Completely agree and Tom's ability to switch and succeed on various tracks will see him progress steadily in the sport. Must say i was equally shocked the Hume was not in the side but perhaps Paco was a better business move for the club?

[Sidney the robin]

1 minute ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Completely agree and Tom's ability to switch and succeed on various tracks will see him progress steadily in the sport. Must say i was equally shocked the Hume was not in the side but perhaps Paco was a better business move for the club?

Hope Hume gets a chance and stays injury free as he is an ecxiting rider to watch.

[Najjer]

2 hours ago, ProudtobeaBrummie said:

Sings, Zach certainly is not the problem in fact he is doing just fine from 5.3 ave scoring 8, 9 , 6, 6, 6 and 7 so scoring above his average in every single meeting this season . I am not sure that is qualified as stalling ?

Personally i would be looking at replacing Tobias asap as the initial change . I also think Dave Mason if possible should look at advising Mr Rodgers in tactical switches etc . I know you say the meeting was over but its not the point but the only person in the entire stadium who would of put Newman in heat 11 as the tactical  switch was unfortunately the person making the tactical switch  .

I'm not sure why anybody is amazed at the tactical sub move - Rogers has proven time and time again over the years he is shocking when it comes to making tactical moves and I'm amazed people continue to employ him to do so. It's great what he does with the younger riders but a tactical genius he is not.

[the hobbit]

Tom took a guaranteed team place as he couldn’t risk waiting any longer for the Brummies to decide which league to go in  and totally missing out on a team spot elsewhere 

 

yes, Danyon’s shoulder injuries were considered as risk due to their regularity and the amount of meetings he missed because of them 

 

it’s my understanding that Mitchell Davey and at least one other rider were given assurances that they wise guaranteed a team place for this season, regardless of which league we were in then, those places suddenly disappeared over the winter 

 

I’m sure most Brummies fans would have been much happier having Tom, Danyon  and Mitch in the team  we might not be a much better team but the fans would have had some continuity and riders who they had a strong bond with and as such, would probably cut them more slack 

Unlike some posters, I don’t hide my identity, even having my photo by my name on the Brummies forum so, knowing the management monitor that forum, presumably, they do the same here so, if I get  banned for airing my views, so be it 

There seem to be about three or four of us who are prepared to say it as it is and I’ve already been questioned this season as to the identity of two of those other people so as you can see, it maybe doesn’t pay to be to free with any criticisms 

 

[ProudtobeaBrummie]

13 minutes ago, the hobbit said:

There seem to be about three or four of us who are prepared to say it as it is and I’ve already been questioned this season as to the identity of two of those other people so as you can see, it maybe doesn’t pay to be to free with any criticisms 

So what are you saying ? are/were the management looking at banning supporters who had a critical view ? Yes or No ?

Edited May 2, 2019 by ProudtobeaBrummie

[GiveusaB]

9 hours ago, the hobbit said:

Sadly, as you’ve found to your own cost “Give us a B”, the Brummies forum only accepts positive views made by people with rose tinted glasses. Anything remotely negative just gets you slaughtered or banned, as you well know 

I you were able to go onto said forum, you’d see that it is virtually dead!! 

Hardly anyone posts anymore. I think most people have decided that if you have nothing good to say then say NOTHING!!!

yes, I do mix a lot with the management and am torn as to wether or not to email them with my views as I genuinely feel for them. 

I fully appreciate them saving our club and understand their reasons for putting together this team. I also know from talking to them last season just how upset they were with the criticisms they received. I know that at one stage, there was the possibility of them wanting the forum shut down and even a feeling of considering strong sanctions against certain fans so, 

what do you do? 

I don’t want to get banned and I don’t want to be seen as the reason why the promotion walk away but, I have strong views and want to see the club flourish. This will not happen with this team 

 

it really hurts me to see my beloved team in such a poor state of affairs and venting on here helps ease the stress and the feeling of saying enough is enough and walking away from the sport. 

What would  you do Give Us A B?  Would you email the promotion and  if so, what response do you think you would get?

one abiding memory for me of last season, was just how extremely angry the promotion was over the criticisms they were hearing  and the actions they considered because of those criticisms 

should I email my thoughts to them?

I respect your honesty and can totally relate to your observations about the 'red/yellow' glasses brigade...I was a victim as you well know : )

As for emailing the management? I think you're well within your rights to email them and air your thoughts/views....(but may be not straight after a performance like last night ) LOL

As for response? The only answer I think you'll get is a 'financial' related one?

I feel for the Masons because they've given us 'half' of what we long serving fans want ? (first class speedway/but a second rate team) and I'm not sure they are prepared to give us the other half whilst attendances are so low? now that Lee Kilby looks like he's leaving us, I really feel we might struggle to attract more backing etc.....(hope I'm wrong)

I think the management will respect your views. Especially after your commitment and loyal support to the team over the years.

Good luck Hobbit !

Edited May 2, 2019 by GiveusaB

[Argos]

40 minutes ago, Najjer said:

I'm not sure why anybody is amazed at the tactical sub move - Rogers has proven time and time again over the years he is shocking when it comes to making tactical moves and I'm amazed people continue to employ him to do so. It's great what he does with the younger riders but a tactical genius he is not.

Pay peanuts you get Monkeys, 

[gazzac]

2 hours ago, HGould said:

seen Brennan a few times and heard him interviewed at track, comes over to me as quite shy so not sure where the "arrogance" remark comes from, although have never met or spoke to the kid personally.

Arrogance with some aggression on the bike, and personable off it. Just what you want in a top flight rider.

Edited May 2, 2019 by gazzac

[geoff100]

3 hours ago, the hobbit said:

 

Isnt ht 8 a "protected" race thought changes arnt allowed 

[the hobbit]

1 hour ago, ProudtobeaBrummie said:

So what are you saying ? are/were the management looking at banning supporters who had a critical view ? Yes or No ?

Yes ( towards the end of last season, particularly when the  criticism of Laurence Rogers was at it’s height and he got very upset by it ). 

Heard nothing from the management this season and haven’t felt like getting involved in any discussions with them 

Edited May 2, 2019 by the hobbit

[Sings4Speedway]

6 minutes ago, the hobbit said:

Yes ( towards the end of last season, particularly when the  criticism of Laurence Rogers was at it’s height and he got very upset by it ). 

Heard nothing from the management this season and haven’t felt like getting involved in any discussions with them 

Aww poor Rogers im sure he had some tissues in his glove box........just on top of Gary Flints licence and next to the scrabble mans UK passport 

[ProudtobeaBrummie]

24 minutes ago, the hobbit said:

Yes ( towards the end of last season, particularly when the  criticism of Laurence Rogers was at it’s height and he got very upset by it ). 

Heard nothing from the management this season and haven’t felt like getting involved in any discussions with them 

I am critical of Mr Rogers but that is purely/solely on a professional level in terms of his management of the Birmingham Brummies absolutely nothing personal at all.  

If this is the case i find it quite childish and pathetic of the management .If they expect me to give them £19.50 every other week to not be allowed to give my own assessment of what i continue to spend my money on well they can STICK IT.

Well after this revelation i shall do the management a favour and i shall not been seen at Perry Barr any time soon . For an extra £1.50 i shall watch go more regular to monmore than i do now to get my speedway fix. 

Edited May 2, 2019 by ProudtobeaBrummie

[Fromafar]

56 minutes ago, geoff100 said:

Isnt ht 8 a "protected" race thought changes arnt allowed 

Correct

[Fromafar]

4 hours ago, HGould said:

I don't think any brummies rider last night can be accused of lack of effort, certainly not Shanes or Zac. If riders aren't good enough by all means accept they are not good enough, but no lack of effort.

As for Laurence, he can only use the cards he is dealt.

The track was slick but we now have a top track man working on it who has done wonders at Stoke. Must have been tough as they expected rain, it looked like rain all around at several points but it never came so they had to water quite a lot.

Agree about the marketing re Kids, should have been done a week ago not a few hours before, almost smacks of desperation. 

With Lee now full time promoter at Swindon may be we need to bring in someone on the commercial side a bit more focused on Brummies and not elsewhere.

I would explain I would have been better saying "tricky" re Workington as opposed to "trick" - a track I have been to several times but always viewed as a "homer"...I agree PB is too fair to all.

Don't know what choices the Masons have financially, there are a few who could improve the team but can't think of an out and out No 1 you could go and sign as any available - likes of Ellis; Wilson - Dean ; Campton , Aarnio; Pavalora - are in case of first 2 may be 2nd/3rd heat leader strength and in case of last 3 no better than decent 2nd strings and we have a side full of them already.   

 

 

 

Jimmy Beaton the former Glasgow Promoter always said that weather forecast should not interfere with track prep,if the weather intervenes that’s bad luck.

[GiveusaB]

16 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

Correct

A reserve can replace the No.2 rider

[ProudtobeaBrummie]

I have just had a read through the Brummies forum for the first time in months and there is hardly any posts on there certainly nothing that could be regarded as rocking the boat .

Although it looks like  Mr rogers has a been trying to sell a single  bonus ball card for months and cant fill it . Some people seem to be getting hacked off with that thread as it does appear to be getting rather farical. He keeps putting who would of won if the card had been completed hahahaha .

I have not posted on there for about 7 months . I agreed with a poster that we should of done a reserve switch in a certain heat then i was attacked by the " red and yellow tinted glasses brigade " telling me i was not a true Brummies fan like they were . I found the reaction most odd so have never posted since. 

So i can completely see what you are saying Hobbit . However balanced or well put you point is the response will not not be . So the whole interaction on that forum is pointless. It is not really a forum is it because your not allowed to have a different view other than blowing smoke up everyone's arse .

Cue Brian buck and Guitar art responding shortly towing the club/management line.

Edited May 2, 2019 by ProudtobeaBrummie

[stevebrum]

3 hours ago, geoff100 said:

Isnt ht 8 a "protected" race thought changes arnt allowed 

I didn’t think it was anymore?

[crescent girl]

43 minutes ago, stevebrum said:

I didn’t think it was anymore?

No tactical subs in Heat 8.  Deffo. 

[guitar_art]

8 hours ago, the hobbit said:

To my mind, Zach is a major disappointment. He quite clearly looks for the safest place on the track where he is in no danger of contact with any rider or any situation which may need him to mix it with an opponent. Yes he’s scoring his average but, he’s staying safe, not taking any risks and several times last night, you  could clearly see him close the throttle off or deliberately change line to stay safe rather than to race. The clearest case was against Kennett when he  gated level but then, turned sharp right going into the first bend and rode the fence to avoid having to compete with his opponent. We all saw that no one rode the outside all night as there was no dirt, no grip and  no point doing so 

Zach is flattering to deceive. To me he hasn’t had a half decent meeting so far but, is settling for safe second and third places in most races. He makes one decent gate a meeting for a race win which helps his average. I wouldn’t shed any tear if we dropped him

 

this is without doubt one of the worst ever Brummies teams I have seen and I’ve been watching since the late 1970’s   It won’t win a meeting all season, home or away.  

 

Ulrich  continues his downward spiral and is at best, a third heat leader. Unfortunately, we don’t have any other heat leaders, the rest being second string or reserve quality at best. 

 

Newman is a major disappointment and doesn’t Look like his heart is in it at all 

 

every rider seems capable of one good ride a meeting then several poor ones 

 

god forbid, we even managed to make Kennel look good last night. 

 

Our gating is appalling 

 

The meeting was over by heat five and we only looked better in the later part of the meeting as Eastbourne relaxed and eased off. 

 

Its May 2nd. We are out of both cups already and can have no  hope whatsoever in the League. Season over already 

i undrerstand why the team was  constructed this way, to be able to afford to survive financially BUT....   

the team is so weak that only the die yards like myself will watch it: 

people will not come to watch this dross every week  attendances are woeful and will only get worse  I, as a diehard , am struggling to find the motivation to go every week despite being a season ticket holder 

I had booked the time off work to go to every away meeting but, will not be going away, to watch this team as I work way to hard to earn my money, to waste it on a completely uncompetitive team such as this 

i don’t think the owners are prepared to spend the money needed to sort this out and sadly, I  an see us folding mid season 

things aren’t helped you having such a tactically inept team manager  with both the meeting and, the tie long dead, he takes Tobias out of heat eight , his easiest ride,  when he needs all the track time he can get then, he uses Kyle who is struggling badly as his tactical rider when surely it should have been Ully. Rogers is speedways answer to boris Johnson  he’s a clown 

last season was ruined by not making the glaringly obvious changes and I have no doubt the same will happen here

 to have to keep reading official club reports that we are only a few  points from winning a meeting and that there were many positives from our performances, is quite frankly an insult to our intelligence 

 

this team is garbage and with it, we are doomed to closure 

 

 

I would like to take some time to look at one or two points made in this post that I think are incorrect. Firstly I disagree with the assesment of Zach but I guess thats just a difference of opinion.

"We all saw that no one rode the outside all night as there was no dirt, no grip and  no point doing so "

To the contrary Kennett spent much of his time after his first two heats riding right round the outside. As for there being no dirt on the track. Whilst I would be the first to agree that the track has been slick so far this season, last nights track had the most dirt on it that I have seen for a long time. I have first hand knowledge of this because I had a rake in hand pulling it of the fence all night. Also James Shanes pulled of a couple of outside passes during the night so there was definatley a point in trying. As mentioned in the program there is a rarity of shale available at the moment and I know we are trying to source some.

 

"The meeting was over by heat five and we only looked better in the later part of the meeting as Eastbourne relaxed and eased off. "

The heat times dont support this hypothesis and niether did the racing.

I had more to say but then I took a look at the Brummies forum to find that someone had said it better and more succinct than I can. So I am going to repeat that post here (hoping the person in question does not mind.) I will say this though. I understand the frustration. I share it. I understand the worry and share it. I hate seeing my beloved Brummies lose. And after the first 7 heats last night I was ready to dig a hole and jump down it. However the next 8 heats were far far better and I was impressed that we didnt just throw in the towel and showed a lot of courage on what would have been a very difficult night for them. They didnt throw in the towel so Im not going to.

The post I was reffering to follows.

 

So its nearly 24 hours on and perhaps the dust is starting to settle (quite literally) on last nights performance.

Lets start with a reality check - at the end of last season there were few if any who wished to remain in the third tier of racing. Because of what happened in the Phillips era we all knew we were a club with no riding assets so our journey in putting together a team was going to be a long one and because we had the 'chicken & egg' situation of needing assets before we met the Championship entry requirements but couldn't really sign assets until we were 'in' it must have been a pretty thankless task. When you compare that to last nights opponents Eastbourne who because of the demise of Lakeside and the switch of the promotion they had a ready made list of quality experienced assets who they are now able to use.

Now the 7 we have started with may not be the best in the league but they have been put together on a budget that hopefully ensures we last the season - something I am not convinced all other clubs will achieve. Watching the last three home matches, and the last two against fellow Championship clubs in particular, each of our riders have shown, albeit in glimpses, that they have the ability to win races around Perry Barr. Just look at last night, 5 of our 7 were paid for winning races and of the two that didn't one was Paco who as probably been the brightest spark of the season so far. I really don't think the effort they are putting in can be questioned (look at Tobias 2nd ride last night when he pushed all of the way for no reward) but its not their fault if at the moment on a regular basis they are not as good as the riders they are being asked to race against. One thing they do all need to work on though is their gating which is absolutely dreadful and if they cant get that right then perhaps we need to 'fix' the track accordingly!

I sincerely hope we don't make wholesale changes and we persevere with what we've got now - I'm not convinced the crowds will drop considerably just because we aren't winning (if we are honest could they get much poorer than last night?) but the sense of achievement when this team does win (and despite what others think I do believe we will break our duck) will be fantastic for all who witness it.

I don't want us to become Poole - a side that switches and drops riders at the drop of a hat to fit the averages - but I do want to see our team of racers given a chance.