stevebrum Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 Close to mid way thru but as expected the predicted result, and its not going to get better for the Panthers if they give away 3 points in the averages after May 1st. Bewley looking close to back to his best, certainly at the NSS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 Half decent meet. Heat 15 was worth the admission alone and heat 13 was probably the best race I've seen without any actual passing. I thought Andersen was naughty in heat 15. No longer the rider he was and simply didn't know how to defend himself so started with the left turns. Tungate showed him how it should be done in heat 13, defended himself excellently and covered every inch of the track whilst allowing the others racing room. Ricky looks slow. He's working his ass off but he is lacking speed. The lads need to rally round him to help him find the best set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastword Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) Excellent meeting at the NSS tonight. Usual close racing and 100 percent effort from both teams. But disappointing crowd. Perhaps this was due to the fact that this was Peterborough's second visit in three home matches? Who decided that this was a good idea? Let's hope that this is the reason because if not then it's worrying. Edited April 29, 2019 by lastword Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, lastword said: Excellent meeting at the NSS tonight. Usual close racing and 100 percent effort from both teams. But disappointing crowd. Perhaps this was due to the fact that this was Peterborough's second visit in three home matches? Who decided that this was a good idea? Let's hope that this is the reason because if not then it's worrying. I'd say there was about 1200. In the current speedway climate and on a Monday evening, that is about the figure I would anticipate. A Friday would see another 600 on the gate. It's just speedway unfortunately. We are no different than anyone else despite the catchment area we may have. The sport just doesnt have the pull and when you run on a Monday evening against a team that was here 2 weeks ago, then the crowd tonight is the expected result. It's a shame because its fabulous entertainment around the nss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 A decent meeting. Heat 15 was a special race. Beeley getting better and better at home. Needs to turn it around away from NSS now. Tungate proved why hes missed greatly at NSS. Hans was good value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) 54 minutes ago, acef said: I'd say there was about 1200. In the current speedway climate and on a Monday evening, that is about the figure I would anticipate. A Friday would see another 600 on the gate. It's just speedway unfortunately. We are no different than anyone else despite the catchment area we may have. The sport just doesnt have the pull and when you run on a Monday evening against a team that was here 2 weeks ago, then the crowd tonight is the expected result. It's a shame because its fabulous entertainment around the nss Interesting to read in the SS the other week that Leicester's Saturday crowds in the 'second division' are up on the Monday crowds they got in the Premiership.. No GP 'superstars' riding there this year yet crowds are up? As you say, a Friday or a Saturday would get you at least 600 more I would say,... Twenty meetings, 600 extra, would equate to 12000 more fans.. At £18 that's over £200k more revenue... As you say, a great product, but not much use having something so good to sell if your opening times prevent customers from getting there.. Doesnt help itself Speedway sometimes does it? Edited April 29, 2019 by mikebv 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 32 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said: A decent meeting. Heat 15 was a special race. Beeley getting better and better at home. Needs to turn it around away from NSS now. Tungate proved why hes missed greatly at NSS. Hans was good value Interesting interview with Bewley after the match saying it isn’t confidence away from home just that he isn’t scoring well yet. It wouldn’t be a surprised if he was tentative on other tracks but appears that isn’t the case. Great personal meeting for the lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 16 minutes ago, mikebv said: Interesting to read in the SS the other week that Leicester's Saturday crowds in the 'second division' are up on the Monday crowds they got in the Premiership.. No GP 'superstars' riding there this year yet crowds are up? As you say, a Friday or a Saturday would get you at least 600 more I would say,... Twenty meetings, 600 extra, would equate to 12000 more fans.. At £18 that's over £200k more revenue... As you say, a great product, but not much use having something so good to sell if your opening times prevent customers from getting there.. Doesnt help itself Speedway sometimes does it? Speedway has always been a day out. To increase the fan base it has always been targeted at families. Have a look at bank holiday numbers vs a Monday. I've often argued this and been ridiculed on here for it. First and foremost, I am supporter of speedway and then the Belle Vue Aces 2nd. I can take it or leave it so for a club to get my dollar they have got to work really hard for it. I think that point of view applys to a significant percentage of this sports fan base. It's a day trip for many families and the day it takes place is absolutely critical. I am also an avid man city fan, season ticket holder for many years, but I put my team before the sport of football and the day it takes place is immaterial for me and many others. It has that power and pull. A premier league football game for many isn't just something to do, its something that happens once a week and they will be there no matter what. The day doesnt matter. Speedway needs to start going after families and the best time to do that is the weekend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 Belle Vue would get my entrance money for nearly every match if it was Friday or Saturday, but sadly Monday nights are hopeless for me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, mikebv said: Interesting to read in the SS the other week that Leicester's Saturday crowds in the 'second division' are up on the Monday crowds they got in the Premiership.. No GP 'superstars' riding there this year yet crowds are up? As you say, a Friday or a Saturday would get you at least 600 more I would say,... Twenty meetings, 600 extra, would equate to 12000 more fans.. At £18 that's over £200k more revenue... As you say, a great product, but not much use having something so good to sell if your opening times prevent customers from getting there.. Doesnt help itself Speedway sometimes does it? Adrian Smith said at the pre season fans meeting that in school holidays gates were bigger on Mondays than Fridays. Surprised me, but he did. That can be the only reason why a lot of the Colts meetings are now on Monday nights. Its not always the case, then, that weakening the product damages attendances. Edited April 30, 2019 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 5 hours ago, keepturningleft said: Belle Vue would get my entrance money for nearly every match if it was Friday or Saturday, but sadly Monday nights are hopeless for me... Me too - I'd buy a season ticket. As it is, I'll do all the bank holiday meetings......and the Thursdays. Later in the week and with just one working day to go (for many) that night for me is far more preferable and it will be interesting to see how it affects attendances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 35 minutes ago, Halifaxtiger said: Adrian Smith said at the pre season fans meeting that in school holidays gates were bigger on Mondays than Fridays. Surprised me, but he did. That can be the only reason why a lot of the Colts meetings are now on Monday nights. Its not always the case, then, that weakening the product damages attendances. Running a shop in Mcr, 1 mile from the NSS. During school hols my trade pattern changes too.. When speaking with my customers (6000 of which are classed as having families thru our database), Fridays seem to be the big change over day at the caravan parks for the weekly holiday makers and those who own their own vans around North Wales, North West coast etc will often go away for long weekends on those ones they haven't hired out.. Therefore they shop with me earlier in the week more and come in on Mondays on their return.. Weekends actually see a drop in footfall during the school hols, unless it's cracking the flags outside! Bottom line for me though is a simple one... All motorsports run their offerings at weekend as they know it's the time they can get their best crowds.. Speedway has a 'better idea'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 This was as close as the last one with the Panthers missing out on the bonus point in a fantastic last heat. Ricky’s well known early season form continued with only 3 points and this saw The Aces unable to shake off the Panthers for much of the meeting. We dug in later on and got the 3 points we wanted in a safe and entertaining match. Top notch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, mikebv said: Speedway has a 'better idea'... And the promoters ( Associated or not ) are convinced they are right. Who are we to argue? How does that saying go " build it and they will come" in this case "put it on on Monday and they are unlikely to come". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 My first visit to the NSS and it looked a very tidy stadium and track, the track looked grippy early doors but it was clear it was fairly slick and all though a few on here thought the racing was good their was little passing after the first corner. Trapping was paramount as Tungate clearly showed but him apart we lacked heat winners and that’s what cost us mid meeting. The meeting was run at a good rate and we were on our way home at just after 9pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 1 hour ago, waytogo28 said: And the promoters ( Associated or not ) are convinced they are right. Who are we to argue? How does that saying go " build it and they will come" in this case "put it on on Monday and they are unlikely to come". You seem like a man with all the answers, maybe you could tell us all which nights the Premiership should run on and how that would work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: You seem like a man with all the answers, maybe you could tell us all which nights the Premiership should run on and how that would work. As a starter for ten, I would suggest running on nights you feel you can deliver the most punters.... For Wolves, as an example, Monday might be their best night so carry on... For the Aces when we opened the average crowd in year one was circa 1800 riding on a Friday/Saturday.. Therefore, for them, run at Weekends... A basic principle of buisness is open when your customers want you to open.. Speedway, particularly as something in the entertainment sector, needs to open its doors when the punters want them to, not have an opening hours business plan based on when their employees can make it to work.. As that will never work for ANY business. . Because it can't.. Edited April 30, 2019 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, mikebv said: As a starter for ten, I would suggest running on nights you feel you can deliver the most punters.... For Wolves, as an example, Monday might be their best night so carry on... For the Aces when we opened the average crowd in year one was circa 1800 riding on a Friday/Saturday.. Therefore, for them, run at Weekends... A basic principle of buisness is open when your customers want you to open.. Speedway, particularly as something in the entertainment sector, needs to open its doors when the punters want them to, not have an opening hours business plan based on when their employees can make it to work.. As that will never work for ANY business. . Because it can't.. It's a double edged sword weekend racing. It's what fans want, but at the same time the same fans dont want fixture clashes. Missing riders etc. Clubs need to find a happy medium. What that is I dont know. But last nights crowd was really bad for a monday. 1200 at most. Even with guests and R/R on a weekend we was getting 1800 average. That tells me though that weekend racing (with guests etc) overrides 2 full teams 1-7 on a Monday night Edited April 30, 2019 by Phil The Ace 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 17 hours ago, geoff58 said: we go because whoever the opposition is or at what level its fantastic stadium to watch quality racing !! 3 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said: It's a double edged sword weekend racing. It's what fans want, but at the same time the same fans dont want fixture clashes. Missing riders etc. Clubs need to find a happy medium. What that is I dont know. Buy last nights crowd was really bad for a mo day. 1200 at most. Even with guests and R/R on a weekend we was getting 1800 average. That tells me though that weekend racing (guests etc) overrides 2 full teams 1-7 on a Monday night Certainly seems like the restrictions on using the race night of choice is hitting some harder than others? Although was last nights attendances affected additionally due to the repetitive nature of the visitors? There has to be an element of fixture planning sense applied at some point as its clearly affecting takings and 1200 weekly doesn't sound like a sustainable model for top flight speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: You seem like a man with all the answers, maybe you could tell us all which nights the Premiership should run on and how that would work. Gosh! If I had all the answers I would be even more enlightened than Buster Chapman ( thought to be the saviour of UK speedway by some ) and that would be impossible. We will have to settle for the Chapman & Godfrey way of doing things ( rubber stamped by the other promoters ) until either great expansion or total extinction looms. Will we be jumping up and down a la the Polish terraces or standing knee deep in tumbleweeds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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