Mr Snackette Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 Just in case there may still be someone who hasn't seen Jack Lee's 1949 movie, there is a showing on Talking Pictures TV today at 16:20 (CEST). Freeview HD & SDTV: channel 81, Virgin Media UK: channel 445, Sky: channel 328, Freesat: channel 306. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr Snackette said: Just in case there may still be someone who hasn't seen Jack Lee's 1949 movie, there is a showing on Talking Pictures TV today at 16:20 (CEST). Freeview HD & SDTV: channel 81, Virgin Media UK: channel 445, Sky: channel 328, Freesat: channel 306. Always worth a view. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted April 25, 2019 Report Share Posted April 25, 2019 Although the speedway bits are the best: the writer was too keen on pushing his hard-left politics. Did they really welcome the International Brigade home as heroes? BTW, the screenwriter also wrote the book for Brittan's opera 'Peter Grimes'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted April 25, 2019 Report Share Posted April 25, 2019 2 hours ago, *JJ said: Although the speedway bits are the best: the writer was too keen on pushing his hard-left politics. Did they really welcome the International Brigade home as heroes? BTW, the screenwriter also wrote the book for Brittan's opera 'Peter Grimes'! Really? You watched that film and got annoyed by the politics? I didn't even notice that there were any politics in it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted April 25, 2019 Report Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Grachan said: Really? You watched that film and got annoyed by the politics? I didn't even notice that there were any politics in it. Did you notice that it's anti Speedway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 25, 2019 Report Share Posted April 25, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, *JJ said: Although the speedway bits are the best: the writer was too keen on pushing his hard-left politics. Did they really welcome the International Brigade home as heroes? BTW, the screenwriter also wrote the book for Brittan's opera 'Peter Grimes'! Of course they were welcomed back as heroes. At least in their communities. Don’t forget there were many ‘hard-left’ communities at the time and many people and of course unions donated funds to the cause. But did you really need to be ‘hard-left’ to be anti- fascist? But in Glasgow I met a couple of ex International Brigade heroes who were still in the 1980s revered One such story and it mentions the heroes welcome home https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-heroes-spanish-civil-15488892.amp And Of course there was a real speedway link with the IB https://spartacus-educational.com/SPbeckett.htm Edited April 25, 2019 by iris123 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cometfan4eva Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 Having finally watched once a jolly swagman due to the fact never heard of it till now . It got me thinking what if they remade it and brought it update I wonder if done the right way it might attract younger generation hopefully get crowds back to how use to and hopefully in process attract some big major sponsors to invest in speedway and make it a success like f1 wrestling cricket for example. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 On 4/25/2019 at 3:13 PM, iris123 said: But did you really need to be ‘hard-left’ to be anti- fascist? If you tolerate this, then your children will be next turned out to be quite poignant... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 11 hours ago, Humphrey Appleby said: If you tolerate this, then your children will be next turned out to be quite poignant... Eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 If I can shoot rabbits/then I can shoot fascists a volunteer is supposed to have said and off he went Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 On 4/30/2019 at 10:38 AM, iris123 said: If I can shoot rabbits/then I can shoot fascists a volunteer is supposed to have said and off he went While others were keen to shoot communists ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 50 minutes ago, *JJ said: While others were keen to shoot communists ... No doubt. I was just trying to help you with the post that seemed to have you dumbfounded ! Not many from the UK fought against communists. Far far more fought fascism, even if a number ended up having their first foreign holiday in Franco’s Spain..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 (edited) On 4/30/2019 at 10:18 AM, *JJ said: Eh? It was the slogan of a recruiting poster for the International Brigades during the Spanish Civil War, inspiring many British volunteers to sign-up (including George Orwell who can hardly be described as a communist). WW2 broke out not long after, making it all very prescient. It's of course better known these days as the title of the Manic Street Preachers song about the subject. Edited May 2, 2019 by Humphrey Appleby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 Ken Loach’s film Land And Freedom is also excellent. It’s a poignant personal history and love story set in the Spanish Civil War. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 (edited) I guess if you have Irish blood you could sort of take pride in the irish Brigade, formed from the pseudo-Fascist Blue Shirts, under the command of their leader who they eventually nicknamed 'O'Scruffy' Bit of a shambles and Franco didn't really want them and was quite happy when they dissolved and returned to Ireland. Even Ireland weren't happy about their involvement and destroyed all record of them..... There is also the heroic story of Hans Beimler, who was a Marine in the first world war and after became a communist politician, but when Hitler came to power he was put in a concentration camp,escaped and went to fight with the International Brigade and was killed in Spain. To bring us full circle his grandson is a well known screen writer who worked on a number of Star Trek projects. No speedway involvement there though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Beimler_(communist Edited May 2, 2019 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebee Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 George Orwell's book 'Homage to Catalonia' is well worth reading on the Spanish Civil War. It's worth noting that the Communists backed by Stalinist Russia didn't only fight the fascists but also those who were ostensibly fighting on the same side. The revolution like Saturn devours its own children. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyd Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 On 4/29/2019 at 9:02 PM, Cometfan4eva said: Having finally watched once a jolly swagman due to the fact never heard of it till now . It got me thinking what if they remade it and brought it update I wonder if done the right way it might attract younger generation hopefully get crowds back to how use to and hopefully in process attract some big major sponsors to invest in speedway and make it a success like f1 wrestling cricket for example. It would be to expensive to make i'm afraid, the story and action shots no problem but can you imagine the cost of hiring all those extras to fill a stadium and have crowd scenes like that again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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