ouch Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 Certainly takes the sting out of all these complaints we get on here about the length of time meetings take to run. Belle Vue like many other clubs have been wrongly accused when all the time it was the refs at fault. Now we know where the issue lies, solving it shouldn’t be a problem. Many fans mistakenly thought it was a multitude of issues but thankfully that’s not the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, ouch said: It depends which you think is worse, a 20min delay whilst things are sorted or just send the two Aces out to ride around unopposed. I think the right decision was made and by clearing it up with Adams it would hopefully stop it happening again. So what was the prob with riders chosen for ht 15 , 2 out of 3 ht leaders or top 2 scores from prog rides without bonus it ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dornier fixer said: For the record the Scunthorpe v Sheffield meeting was run in similar circumstances and was done and dusted in one hour twenty five minutes. they got on with the racing before the track had time to dry out. Don`t think they watered at Sheffield because the home riders weren`t delivering the goods on the watered track. the racing improved when the track became dusty. Scunthorpe didn't have rider replacement, an interval, a heat 14 vote or an argument over riders. Had that been the case, they would have been well over 2 hours and had a dust bowl, and as Bewitcher has accurately stated delay is often substantially down to the referee. The racing did improve later on at Sheffield(if you could see it) but that hasn't cut much ice with those who have stated they will not go again due to the state of both the track and their clothes. I doubt that anyone who went yesterday and saw an excellent meeting with no dust will have the same thoughts. Edited April 23, 2019 by Halifaxtiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said: Scunthorpe didn't have rider replacement, an interval, a heat 14 vote or an argument over riders. Had that been the case, they would have been well over 2 hours and had a dust bowl, and as Bewitcher has accurately stated delay is often substantially down to the referee. The racing did improve later on at Sheffield(if you could see it) but that hasn't cut much ice with those who have stated they will not go again due to the state of both the track and their clothes. I doubt that anyone who went yesterday and saw an excellent meeting with no dust will have the same thoughts. There was plenty of dust at Belle Vue it blew down towards the pits exactly as it did last year and in one race the riders couldn`t see coming out of bend four. The referee was to blame for it running so long he was prompted several times by the announcer to put the two minutes on. my arguement is that two and a half hours to run a meeting is unacceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 The bottom line is that any newbies in the crowd almost certainly wouldn't have a clue, or care less about officials squabbling over some rules and regulations. All they would know is that for 20 minutes they are staring at an empty track with nothing happening. Imagine a football match having a 20 minute break in the middle of it while some clash over the rules is going on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Dornier fixer said: There was plenty of dust at Belle Vue it blew down towards the pits exactly as it did last year and in one race the riders couldn`t see coming out of bend four. The referee was to blame for it running so long he was prompted several times by the announcer to put the two minutes on. my arguement is that two and a half hours to run a meeting is unacceptable. Don't talk rubbish, there was virtually no dust. The tiny amount of dust in the last couple of heats due to the delays was normal for any track starting to dry out. Complete over exageration saying riders couldn't see.You can't find anything to criticise about the racing so make this crap up. 1 hour ago, keepturningleft said: The bottom line is that any newbies in the crowd almost certainly wouldn't have a clue, or care less about officials squabbling over some rules and regulations. All they would know is that for 20 minutes they are staring at an empty track with nothing happening. Imagine a football match having a 20 minute break in the middle of it while some clash over the rules is going on. The 20 minute delay wasn't ideal but I can't believe such a big deal is being made of it. Instead of writing about the great racing lets all complain about a 20 minute delay .As others have said, it wasn't raining, it wasnt cold, it was a beautiful sunny day. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 And who won the debate that caused the 20 minute delay, the referee or Peter Adams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, Rob B said: Don't talk rubbish, there was virtually no dust. The tiny amount of dust in the last couple of heats due to the delays was normal for any track starting to dry out. Complete over exageration saying riders couldn't see.You can't find anything to criticise about the racing so make this crap up. The 20 minute delay wasn't ideal but I can't believe such a big deal is being made of it. Instead of writing about the great racing lets all complain about a 20 minute delay .As others have said, it wasn't raining, it wasnt cold, it was a beautiful sunny day. 29 minutes ago, Rob B said: Don't talk rubbish, there was virtually no dust. The tiny amount of dust in the last couple of heats due to the delays was normal for any track starting to dry out. Complete over exageration saying riders couldn't see.You can't find anything to criticise about the racing so make this crap up. The 20 minute delay wasn't ideal but I can't believe such a big deal is being made of it. Instead of writing about the great racing lets all complain about a 20 minute delay .As others have said, it wasn't raining, it wasnt cold, it was a beautiful sunny day. You need to go to specsavers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldace Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 There certainly was not enough dust to obscure anyone's view, I sit in the grandstand and could see perfectly. It is ridiculous to suggest that riders could not see coming out of bed four, simply ridiculous. Really can't understand your comments. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Dornier fixer said: There was plenty of dust at Belle Vue it blew down towards the pits exactly as it did last year and in one race the riders couldn`t see coming out of bend four. The referee was to blame for it running so long he was prompted several times by the announcer to put the two minutes on. my arguement is that two and a half hours to run a meeting is unacceptable. Most laughable post I've read on here. Keep it up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Dornier fixer said: You need to go to specsavers You should take your own advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Dornier fixer said: There was plenty of dust at Belle Vue it blew down towards the pits exactly as it did last year and in one race the riders couldn`t see coming out of bend four. The referee was to blame for it running so long he was prompted several times by the announcer to put the two minutes on. my arguement is that two and a half hours to run a meeting is unacceptable. Agree. Two hours max no matter how hot and dry the weather is. No excuse for running this long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Phil The Ace said: Most laughable post I've read on here. Keep it up do you think taking 150 minutes to see just over 15 minutes of racing is OK ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted April 23, 2019 Report Share Posted April 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, Mark said: do you think taking 150 minutes to see just over 15 minutes of racing is OK ? Yesterday was probably the longest match we have had at the NSS. 98% of the time were done for 9pm and I'm home for half 9. The 20 minute delay before heat 15 was not the fault of belle vue though. And what I was on about was the dust and riders being blinded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 12 hours ago, Dornier fixer said: There was plenty of dust at Belle Vue it blew down towards the pits exactly as it did last year and in one race the riders couldn`t see coming out of bend four. The referee was to blame for it running so long he was prompted several times by the announcer to put the two minutes on. my arguement is that two and a half hours to run a meeting is unacceptable. 'Plenty of dust' is what they had at Poole on Friday and Sheffield on Sunday. It means that spectators clothes were covered and viewing was obscured. With the possible exception of heat 15, that simply wasn't the case at Belle Vue on Monday where it was minimal at worst. It is certainly indicative that there is not one single post on here, the Belle Vue facebook page or anywhere else complaining about it. As a hardened speedway fan, I think meetings should be finished in two hours. Had this been a midweek match on a freezing night with work the following day I would have been the first to complain, but it wasn't. The thing is the time taken to run a meeting is only relevant to the sport if it deters any paying customer from attending again. Given the overall package offered by the Aces on Monday - the quality of the racing, the superb presentation, pricing etc - coupled with the excellent weather, I don't think one single person would have been put off. In fact, I'd say quite the opposite. Taking also into account the excellent Colts meeting on Friday, I'd say Belle Vue are getting close to Isle of Wight standards for customer focus and that's a massive step in the right direction. All this compares sharply with the comments on facebook about Sheffield on Sunday (a meeting that took 45 minutes less) and the anger displayed on the 3rd/4th bends where I was standing. The dreadful standard of that meeting plus the appalling state of the track will be a disaster for them where future attendances are concerned. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 12 hours ago, coldace said: There certainly was not enough dust to obscure anyone's view, I sit in the grandstand and could see perfectly. It is ridiculous to suggest that riders could not see coming out of bed four, simply ridiculous. Really can't understand your comments. So now we know it wasn't the ref, it wasn't the non existent dust, it was getting the riders out of their beds.. Sorry I couldn't resist that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldace Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 Good spot, that'll teach me not to post before checking! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted April 25, 2019 Report Share Posted April 25, 2019 Heat 11 from Monmore on Monday, Becker shows how it's done from gate 4 http://www.wolverhampton-speedway.com/_mobile/news.php?extend.3116 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 25, 2019 Report Share Posted April 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Call me wolfie said: Heat 11 from Monmore on Monday, Becker shows how it's done from gate 4 http://www.wolverhampton-speedway.com/_mobile/news.php?extend.3116 Becker is a talent and givin luck will go far in the sport.IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 Great to see some cracking racing this week from Wolves and Ipswich on social media. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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