BWitcher Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 Just now, SPEEDY69 said: That was more than he scored at Ipswich I think. His scoring is crucial for them and on the evidence of these two meetings he isn't an out and out No.1, as you assess. I haven't assessed anything. He's been signed as an out and out No 1, a 9.82 average including bonus. He is the 2nd highest averaging rider in the league and well above the rider in 3rd. You can't really get a more 'out and out No 1', bar Jason Doyle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, BWitcher said: I haven't assessed anything. He's been signed as an out and out No 1, a 9.82 average including bonus. He is the 2nd highest averaging rider in the league and well above the rider in 3rd. You can't really get a more 'out and out No 1', bar Jason Doyle. He is an out and out number 1. But something about Lambert just doesn’t worry me. I think it’s his lack of back up. Doyle has Batch Fricke has Bjerre tungate has Hans harris has Lawson. But lambert has TJ who really is a bang average rider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Gavan said: You cant be comparing Jack Holder to Robert Lambert surely? Poole have built a 1-7 that is solid with no number one. Jack Holder scored 6 away from home which is roughly what you would expect maybe 1 or 2 points more Robert Lambert scored 4.......you would expect 13 plus from him at home. Jack Holder scored roughly what was expected and Robert Lambert didnt.......Lamberts poor form cost Lynn a chance of the meeting. We have a number one in Chris Harris who would be expecting 7-9 most away meetings , in a similar bracket to Jack Holder who also isnt an out and out number one. Were you seriously expecting a double figure score from Jack Holder? Jack scored one point from his first 3 rides. I would expect at least 6 from those rides and at least 10 overall. Lambert got paid 7. Can't see how KL would have won the meeting easily as has been said by some. They may have won but it would have been close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, poolebolton said: He is an out and out number 1. But something about Lambert just doesn’t worry me. I think it’s his lack of back up. Doyle has Batch Fricke has Bjerre tungate has Hans harris has Lawson. But lambert has TJ who really is a bang average rider. And Poole have Brady and Jack both decent heat leaders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 This nonsense that Lambert scoring 13 (9 more points) would have won the meeting is ridiculous. Here's why. Heat 1, Lambert 2+1. 4 point swing 42-48 Heat 6, Lambert 3, Riss 1. 2 point swing 43-47 Heat 10, as is, no result change there. 43-47 Heat 13, Lambert 3, Jorgensen 1. 2 point swing 44-46. What would of happened in heat 15 would be pure guess work but say he was in the heat and he won, Riss would have been in and he fell so 3-3. 4 point swing 46-44. A 2 point win for the Stars, not really an improvement over a 2 leg meeting. So prior to heat 15 Lambert would have been 11+1, but Riss would have only been 8+2 rather than 11 and Jorgensen 7+1 rather than 8+1. All in all, over a 2 leg meeting not good enough. Andersen is a poor poor poor signing. The middle order doesn't have that strength in depth from 2-5 and Palm-Toft is a reserve and nothing else, not strong enough in that position to have 6-7 rides to cover others. These first 2 meetings have made things very clear. There's no backup for Lambert and Palm-Toft can't make up for Andersen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 Two leg meeting? I thought it was a mini league. Who does the winner of this tie go on to meet, Ipswich or Swindon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: This nonsense that Lambert scoring 13 (9 more points) would have won the meeting is ridiculous. Here's why. Heat 1, Lambert 2+1. 4 point swing 42-48 Heat 6, Lambert 3, Riss 1. 2 point swing 43-47 Heat 10, as is, no result change there. 43-47 Heat 13, Lambert 3, Jorgensen 1. 2 point swing 44-46. What would of happened in heat 15 would be pure guess work but say he was in the heat and he won, Riss would have been in and he fell so 3-3. 4 point swing 46-44. A 2 point win for the Stars, not really an improvement over a 2 leg meeting. So prior to heat 15 Lambert would have been 11+1, but Riss would have only been 8+2 rather than 11 and Jorgensen 7+1 rather than 8+1. All in all, over a 2 leg meeting not good enough. Andersen is a poor poor poor signing. The middle order doesn't have that strength in depth from 2-5 and Palm-Toft is a reserve and nothing else, not strong enough in that position to have 6-7 rides to cover others. These first 2 meetings have made things very clear. There's no backup for Lambert and Palm-Toft can't make up for Andersen. palm toft form not that good in the championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 Just now, ouch said: Two leg meeting? I thought it was a mini league. Who does the winner of this tie go on to meet, Ipswich or Swindon? different this he premiership shield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Its nonsense that Lambert scoring 13 (9 more points) would have won the meeting is ridiculous. Here's why. Heat 1, Lambert 2+1. 4 point swing 42-48 Heat 6, Lambert 3, Riss 1. 2 point swing 43-47 Heat 10, as is, no result change there. 43-47 Heat 13, Lambert 3, Jorgensen 1. 2 point swing 44-46. What would of happened in heat 15 would be pure guess work but say he was in the heat and he won, Riss would have been in and he fell so 3-3. 4 point swing 46-44. A 2 point win for the Stars, not really an improvement over a 2 leg meeting. So prior to heat 15 Lambert would have been 11+1, but Riss would have only been 8+2 rather than 11 and Jorgensen 7+1 rather than 8+1. All in all, over a 2 leg meeting not good enough. Andersen is a poor poor poor signing. The middle order doesn't have that strength in depth from 2-5 and Palm-Toft is a reserve and nothing else, not strong enough in that position to have 6-7 rides to cover others. These first 2 meetings have made things very clear. There's no backup for Lambert and Palm-Toft can't make up for Andersen. It was clear to some, weeks even months ago Edited April 9, 2019 by Bald Bloke 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 30 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: This nonsense that Lambert scoring 13 (9 more points) would have won the meeting is ridiculous. Here's why. A 2 point win for the Stars, not really an improvement over a 2 leg meeting. A 2pt win for the Stars he says.. "Not really an improvement" That's a new one to me. I'd always considered a 2pt win better than a 10pt loss but hey ho, I live and learn. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, BWitcher said: A 2pt win for the Stars he says.. "Not really an improvement" That's a new one to me. I'd always considered a 2pt win better than a 10pt loss but hey ho, I live and learn. We ain't going to get anywhere near Poole in the 2nd leg. To of stood a chance we needed a 10-12 point win minimum. A 2 point win, we may as well of been done 75-15. Overall over 2 legs a 1 point win is as good as a thrashing at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, poolebolton said: I think Jack is still feeling that foot injury and took him a few rides to find the set up. I think now him and Brady have done the first year in Poland it should get better. Having Chris in the pits will help. As riders go he certainly knows the quickest way around poole Jack had bike issues in his first 2 rides - nothing to do with a foot injury. In normal circumstances i would expect him to get double figures. All the negativity about the Stars after just one home meeting I find a little surprising?! But I bet they looked nice and professional in their team kevlars...........!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 59 minutes ago, ray c said: different this he premiership shield Ah, sorry. I didn’t realise as I thought Wolves were always in that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 2 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said: That was more than he scored at Ipswich I think. His scoring is crucial for them and on the evidence of these two meetings he isn't an out and out No.1, as you assess. A whole season from 2018 proves that he is. 2nd in the overall averages with only Doyle higher. You would struggle to find a more out and out number one if you tried. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 43 minutes ago, stevebrum said: A whole season from 2018 proves that he is. 2nd in the overall averages with only Doyle higher. You would struggle to find a more out and out number one if you tried. That's one season, an out and out No1 has to consistent year in year out. Last year may have been just one of those purple patches. Not likely though, I'm sure Robert will be back up there soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: That's one season, an out and out No1 has to consistent year in year out. Last year may have been just one of those purple patches. Not likely though, I'm sure Robert will be back up there soon. Absolutely. My comment was a little tongue in cheek but in my view it is about consistency and not an average from one season. Not that I've looked at past history but 'out and out' no. 1s I can think of rarely dipped below double figures in a meeting and never in 2 meetings running. He will no doubt come good again he wasn't crowned British Champ for nothing but his start is a worry for Stars fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: Absolutely. My comment was a little tongue in cheek but in my view it is about consistency and not an average from one season. Not that I've looked at past history but 'out and out' no. 1s I can think of rarely dipped below double figures in a meeting and never in 2 meetings running. He will no doubt come good again he wasn't crowned British Champ for nothing but his start is a worry for Stars fans. I think the jump to Extraliga is a big one and a hell of a lot of pressure to put on a rider. Taking that final jump before GPs big step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 Who could really blame Robert if he's using the UK for extra spending money abroad. This year I'm sure he'll be pushing for SGP 2020 qualification, SEC to compete in, Ekstraliga and Elitserien. Plus no doubt Bundesliga is on his fixture list, possibly Metal Speedway League too. He's a very busy boy in 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 38 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Who could really blame Robert if he's using the UK for extra spending money abroad. This year I'm sure he'll be pushing for SGP 2020 qualification, SEC to compete in, Ekstraliga and Elitserien. Plus no doubt Bundesliga is on his fixture list, possibly Metal Speedway League too. He's a very busy boy in 2019 He's dropped Denmark this year but yeah doing some racing in Germany, UK, Pol and Sweden... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 4 hours ago, BWitcher said: A 2pt win for the Stars he says.. "Not really an improvement" That's a new one to me. I'd always considered a 2pt win better than a 10pt loss but hey ho, I live and learn. But you said with Lambert scoring 13-14 Kings Lynn would have won easily, a 2 point win is a close win not an easy win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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