Uluru Posted April 8, 2019 Report Share Posted April 8, 2019 Seems from reports that the Bandits found the starting procedure at Newcastle perfectly adequate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted April 8, 2019 Report Share Posted April 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: It's all anticipation really rider and to a lesser extent the ref... but if everyone at the start is twitching and squirming around like a bag of worms it invariably ends up with a scrappy start Regards THJ I see what you mean. but it's the same for all four riders, if your not ready to go when the tapes go, then sobeit. Touch the tapes, your out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted April 8, 2019 Report Share Posted April 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: Max has his “Berwick Head” on at most fast tracks.IMO. So he'll be ok at Eastbourne then & maybe Leicester & of course Edinburgh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted April 8, 2019 Report Share Posted April 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: I see what you mean. but it's the same for all four riders, if your not ready to go when the tapes go, then sobeit. Touch the tapes, your out. Correct totally agree... but if a new rule brought in to improve starts only proceeds to make things worse... Well? No one disagrees that tape touchers or people jumping shouldn't be punished but rule changes should help shouldn't they? Or am I just being daft? Regards THJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted April 8, 2019 Report Share Posted April 8, 2019 1 hour ago, ruffdiamond said: If the referee can see a rider jump/move before he presses the button,,,, why does he press the button ? Could it be that a rider might be possible to react quicker than the ref has realised ? Surely there are two buttons/switches. One for the green light and one to raise the tapes? Once the green light is illuminated the riders are reviving the engines. With my very limited knowledge of bikes too much of a delay between the green light going on and the tapes being raised would burn out the clutch 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 8, 2019 Report Share Posted April 8, 2019 49 minutes ago, Shadders said: Surely there are two buttons/switches. One for the green light and one to raise the tapes? Once the green light is illuminated the riders are reviving the engines. With my very limited knowledge of bikes too much of a delay between the green light going on and the tapes being raised would burn out the clutch This rule they are introducing just brings it in line with the starting procedure already being used in Poland and GPS .It just a case of riders getting used to it IMO.Its meant to stop the green light/ go situation. Riders won’t be happy but it works elsewhere so what’s the problem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted April 8, 2019 Report Share Posted April 8, 2019 30 minutes ago, Fromafar said: This rule they are introducing just brings it in line with the starting procedure already being used in Poland and GPS .It just a case of riders getting used to it IMO.Its meant to stop the green light/ go situation. Riders won’t be happy but it works elsewhere so what’s the problem. You are right there isn't a problem per sey it's just the referees are not applying the new rule uniformly yet and the riders are struggling to get used to it... I just hope it settles down sooner rather than later as these twitchy starts get right on my thruppenny bits if you'll pardon my vernacular.... Regards THJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 51 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: You are right there isn't a problem per sey it's just the referees are not applying the new rule uniformly yet and the riders are struggling to get used to it... I just hope it settles down sooner rather than later as these twitchy starts get right on my thruppenny bits if you'll pardon my vernacular.... Regards THJ One thing I would like to see is the clock introduction with the 2 minute countdown.Riders over here do not obey the starting marshal a lot of times when he is trying to get them to come up to the tapes which keeps the other riders waiting.In Poland the riders watch the clock and move in the last5- 10 seconds and the start marshal really only has to nod to the Ref and walk away.Cutting out all the shuffling back and forward nonsense that we get here. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 11 hours ago, Uluru said: Seems from reports that the Bandits found the starting procedure at Newcastle perfectly adequate? It was the "old" starting procedure in both matches. The Diamonds have ridden in four matches so far and the "new" procedure has been used just once, at home to Redcar last week. Having said that, two of the matches (away at Redcar and on Sunday at home to Berwick) have had the same referee in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 38 minutes ago, StevePark said: It was the "old" starting procedure in both matches. The Diamonds have ridden in four matches so far and the "new" procedure has been used just once, at home to Redcar last week. Having said that, two of the matches (away at Redcar and on Sunday at home to Berwick) have had the same referee in charge. It’s pretty pathetic the the people in charge don’t seem to know the new rule. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondlil Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 If referee does not implement new start rule they should get fined 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauger65 Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 much ado about nothing geez ..... starting marshall gets riders to tapes , green light on and tapes go ... race on don't think its anything to do with starting process .... riders last few years have been getting worse each year and are constantly moving at gate this year has started even worse .... and we have been the biggest offenders !!!! - its at least 3 times per meeting our riders have had to stop themselves touching tapes and the ref has started the race leaving them floundering (quite rightly) ..... I wouldn't care but for all the movement we have done at the tapes we have woeful at gating - especially the 1st 4 races where in the 2 away meetings the match was over by heat 4 But the biggest issue will be the crowds and the quality of racing thus far. Brough is a technical track and as such you do see a lot of passing and close racing. Whilst no one likes getting beaten, getting beaten whilst watching boring racing is another matter. The 1st 2 home meetings have been amongst some of the dullest meetings Ive ever seen (redcar had the odd moment) Apart from Jorgensen's superb pass on Wright, we haven't looked likely passing anyone and apart from Jorgensen and Worrall Im not sure the others can pass at Brough. Sunday night I was freezing, bored, deflated at seeing us getting a good whipping off our friendly neighbours and frankly heat 15 couldn't arrive quick enough. Well that's 2 trophies we have failed to win so far. Still the league starts on Sunday where we are currently unbeaten...................... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 44 minutes ago, mauger65 said: much ado about nothing geez ..... starting marshall gets riders to tapes , green light on and tapes go ... race on don't think its anything to do with starting process .... riders last few years have been getting worse each year and are constantly moving at gate this year has started even worse .... and we have been the biggest offenders !!!! - its at least 3 times per meeting our riders have had to stop themselves touching tapes and the ref has started the race leaving them floundering (quite rightly) ..... I wouldn't care but for all the movement we have done at the tapes we have woeful at gating - especially the 1st 4 races where in the 2 away meetings the match was over by heat 4 But the biggest issue will be the crowds and the quality of racing thus far. Brough is a technical track and as such you do see a lot of passing and close racing. Whilst no one likes getting beaten, getting beaten whilst watching boring racing is another matter. The 1st 2 home meetings have been amongst some of the dullest meetings Ive ever seen (redcar had the odd moment) Apart from Jorgensen's superb pass on Wright, we haven't looked likely passing anyone and apart from Jorgensen and Worrall Im not sure the others can pass at Brough. Sunday night I was freezing, bored, deflated at seeing us getting a good whipping off our friendly neighbours and frankly heat 15 couldn't arrive quick enough. Well that's 2 trophies we have failed to win so far. Still the league starts on Sunday where we are currently unbeaten...................... I thought these were Championship Shield matches at the week-end,was the Tyne/ Tweed trophy incorporated in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Fromafar said: I thought these were Championship Shield matches at the week-end,was the Tyne/ Tweed trophy incorporated in them. It said on the programmes for the meetings, that they were Championship Shield meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Fromafar said: I thought these were Championship Shield matches at the week-end,was the Tyne/ Tweed trophy incorporated in them. I think the insinuation is that we have zero chance of qualifying from the Shield group. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 6 hours ago, Fromafar said: It’s pretty pathetic the the people in charge don’t seem to know the new rule. Unfortunately its not unknown. Id bet Willie Dishington hasnt even read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 Mr Dishington was in charge at the Bordernapolis. Prior to the meeting he called a Riders Briefing on the infield and explained the new procedure to all. The meeting went off well, with no starting gate problems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 6 hours ago, mauger65 said: much ado about nothing geez ..... starting marshall gets riders to tapes , green light on and tapes go ... race on don't think its anything to do with starting process .... riders last few years have been getting worse each year and are constantly moving at gate this year has started even worse .... and we have been the biggest offenders !!!! - its at least 3 times per meeting our riders have had to stop themselves touching tapes and the ref has started the race leaving them floundering (quite rightly) ..... I wouldn't care but for all the movement we have done at the tapes we have woeful at gating - especially the 1st 4 races where in the 2 away meetings the match was over by heat 4 But the biggest issue will be the crowds and the quality of racing thus far. Brough is a technical track and as such you do see a lot of passing and close racing. Whilst no one likes getting beaten, getting beaten whilst watching boring racing is another matter. The 1st 2 home meetings have been amongst some of the dullest meetings Ive ever seen (redcar had the odd moment) Apart from Jorgensen's superb pass on Wright, we haven't looked likely passing anyone and apart from Jorgensen and Worrall Im not sure the others can pass at Brough. Sunday night I was freezing, bored, deflated at seeing us getting a good whipping off our friendly neighbours and frankly heat 15 couldn't arrive quick enough. Well that's 2 trophies we have failed to win so far. Still the league starts on Sunday where we are currently unbeaten...................... Not quite. starting marshall gets riders to the tapes, green light on, STARTING MARSHALL WALKS TO THE REAR OF THE BIKES, then tapes up and go. This means that there should be a delay of at least 5 to 10 seconds after the green light come on before the tape are lifted. if the rule is not followed and the tapes are lifted immediately green light is illuminated then riders are unprepared as they are expecting a delay. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 57 minutes ago, leander said: Not quite. starting marshall gets riders to the tapes, green light on, STARTING MARSHALL WALKS TO THE REAR OF THE BIKES, then tapes up and go. This means that there should be a delay of at least 5 to 10 seconds after the green light come on before the tape are lifted. if the rule is not followed and the tapes are lifted immediately green light is illuminated then riders are unprepared as they are expecting a delay. If they miss the start, they've got a whole four laps to catch up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 28 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: If they miss the start, they've got a whole four laps to catch up. Waste of time at Berwick though 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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