hagonshocker Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) On 5/12/2019 at 8:41 AM, PHILIPRISING said: ALONG with a few others! Been a nightmare at Swindon this year! Saying that some of the refs seem to hold the tapes a bit too long Edited May 13, 2019 by hagonshocker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 7 hours ago, lastword said: I had to smile when I saw this. Whitehaven (where Cook comes from, and is based) is over 150 miles from Manchester. King's Lynn is nearer! Not even Whitehaven. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 11 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: THERE is no doubt that he is also very popular with fans, as witnessed by the support he received at BV on Saturday. Cook was BV through and through a loyal and committed rider. The truth is Lemon and the people running BV treated him very badly and apparently messed him around in the winter and tried to screw him on money. The BV fans know what went on and that’s why he’s still popular and they get behind and support him. I have to say I’m not a fan of the way BV is run and the arrogant attitude the management have to riders ex-riders and supporters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanAndersen Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 18 minutes ago, Speedtiger said: Cook was BV through and through a loyal and committed rider. The truth is Lemon and the people running BV treated him very badly and apparently messed him around in the winter and tried to screw him on money. The BV fans know what went on and that’s why he’s still popular and they get behind and support him. I have to say I’m not a fan of the way BV is run and the arrogant attitude the management have to riders ex-riders and supporters. You can understand why someone might have a problem taking what you say as gospel? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, JanAndersen said: You can understand why someone might have a problem taking what you say as gospel? You can believe me or not mate but what Im saying is from someone who has worked at BV in the office for a few years and she is well connected with media side and knows whats gone on and more, a lot more. Ok it’s second hand info but I believe what she told me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedyOne Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 45 minutes ago, JanAndersen said: You can understand why someone might have a problem taking what you say as gospel? Apart from all the "apparentlys", you only have to look back at all the other "facts" in all his previous posts which turned out to be pure fiction, to see he's just a troll with a downer on Belle Vue. Must be awful to be that bitter. But at least his made up stories give us a laugh. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 So Belle Vue ‘screwed him over with money’ and Buster ‘screwed him over’ with the sponsorship thing. As the common denominator perhaps the rider himself is the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Bagpuss said: So Belle Vue ‘screwed him over with money’ and Buster ‘screwed him over’ with the sponsorship thing. As the common denominator perhaps the rider himself is the issue. Fair point bagpuss as I’m sure Craig has created some issues but he’s a loyal professional rider and has to make it pay. BV and Chapman are clearly not short of money so should pay the right points money. Screwing riders is not the way to create team loyalty..! I know speedway is in a real financial mess NOT caused by the Riders...BUT by the clueless clowns running the sport and clubs, they are to blame. The Riders put there lives on the line every race and they deserve top pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 The counter argument would be that promoters refuse to pay over the odds in order to keep their tracks open. Well probably never know the truth but the bottom line is that riding for Glasgow and nowhere else isn’t doing him any good. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 So, when the term Cooke was screwed by Belle Vue, what is it actually referring to. Is it that he was paid short of what was due from last year? or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Bagpuss said: The counter argument would be that promoters refuse to pay over the odds in order to keep their tracks open. Well probably never know the truth but the bottom line is that riding for Glasgow and nowhere else isn’t doing him any good. Yes and I see that but again from what I’m told from a very reliable source BV, who clearly have tons of cash to burn, wanted Cook to take a big pay cut and he felt undervalued and as a loyal BV No1 rider and captain and he was treated very poorly. Lemon and Smiths management skills are really very weak and they treated Craig in a very dismissive way. The disagreement with Panthers is obvious that the bully boy Buster wanted to get rid of Cook and back out of a done deal. As I've said before it isn’t the Riders that have ruined speedway it’s the useless idiots in Rugby and at the Clubs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Speedtiger said: Yes and I see that but again from what I’m told from a very reliable source BV, who clearly have tons of cash to burn, wanted Cook to take a big pay cut and he felt undervalued and as a loyal BV No1 rider and captain and he was treated very poorly. Lemon and Smiths management skills are really very weak and they treated Craig in a very dismissive way. The disagreement with Panthers is obvious that the bully boy Buster wanted to get rid of Cook and back out of a done deal. As I've said before it isn’t the Riders that have ruined speedway it’s the useless idiots in Rugby and at the Clubs. Where do you get all this crap that belle vue have tons of money to burn they owe hundreds of thousands of pounds idiot. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted May 14, 2019 Report Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 hour ago, DBP said: Where do you get all this crap that belle vue have tons of money to burn they owe hundreds of thousands of pounds idiot. Ok but how do you know that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 15, 2019 Report Share Posted May 15, 2019 12 hours ago, Speedtiger said: Ok but how do you know that? Most open minded people in speedway know that crowd numbers at Belle Vue are not as great as they need to be, to continue to run such a high cost venue. I would wonder why and from where you got the inkling that the club 'has tons of cash to burn' must rank as the most stupid and untrue comments you are likely to read on this forum. I would wonder where the source of this misinformation came from, and challenge the reason for it to be said. It is seriously not true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted May 15, 2019 Report Share Posted May 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, Tsunami said: Most open minded people in speedway know that crowd numbers at Belle Vue are not as great as they need to be, to continue to run such a high cost venue. I would wonder why and from where you got the inkling that the club 'has tons of cash to burn' must rank as the most stupid and untrue comments you are likely to read on this forum. I would wonder where the source of this misinformation came from, and challenge the reason for it to be said. It is seriously not true. As usual you have missed the point. If the crowds are poor, which they are and BV are losing hundreds of thousands of pounds every season, which they are, then they must have tons of cash to burn. FACT. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted May 15, 2019 Report Share Posted May 15, 2019 Ignore this guy he’s an ex freeloader who is peed off he can’t get in for nowt anymore so spends his time spreading lies. I stopped listening to him as I struggled to hear him anyway over the sound of him grinding his axe. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted May 15, 2019 Report Share Posted May 15, 2019 54 minutes ago, ouch said: Ignore this guy he’s an ex freeloader who is peed off he can’t get in for nowt anymore so spends his time spreading lies. I stopped listening to him as I struggled to hear him anyway over the sound of him grinding his axe. ...wrong again ouch, I’m a BV season ticket holder and have been for many seasons. I pay my way and entitled to have an opinion and serious concerns about the way BV is being run. The points I make whether you like/agree or not are based on facts. Let’s now get back on thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 15, 2019 Report Share Posted May 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Speedtiger said: ...wrong again ouch, I’m a BV season ticket holder and have been for many seasons. I pay my way and entitled to have an opinion and serious concerns about the way BV is being run. The points I make whether you like/agree or not are based on facts. Let’s now get back on thread. Ha ha ha ha. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 15, 2019 Report Share Posted May 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Speedtiger said: As usual you have missed the point. If the crowds are poor, which they are and BV are losing hundreds of thousands of pounds every season, which they are, then they must have tons of cash to burn. FACT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted May 15, 2019 Report Share Posted May 15, 2019 (edited) Cook has had a few differences of opinion with promotions, as well as sponsors and as far as I can see, they all relate to money. What I take from this is that he expects too much - other riders don't seem to have the same issues. With a balance sheet your expenditure and income need to 'balance' for you to make it work, the same as for any club. I'd suggest one of the main reasons a lot of the clubs have folded is because they've paid out too much to riders that hasn't been recouped from sponsors/fans e.g. Buxton. Edited May 15, 2019 by SPEEDY69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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