chunky Posted February 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Split said: Useless piece of trivia. German TV produced a version of Till Death Us Do Part and called it Ein Herz und eine Seele (literally "One Heart and One Soul") and Alf Garnet's character had the name Alfred Tetzlaff. Hmmmm.. That would have sounded great on our version too!!! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter65 Posted March 6, 2019 Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 When I first started going to speedway in 1978 I only saw speedway at Hyde Road for the first couple of years...so for me that was what speedway was about..no idea about what Eastbourne for example was like so my early impression of riders was based on Hyde Road form disorders some of the southern teams who visited once a year had some particularly poor foreign riders...Henryck Glucklich may been ok ?...I remember him as being poor based on a Hyde Road visit....I remember Uno Johansson coming in for one Belle Vue match and being very poor...I remember Eastbourne coming with Borge Kling and Lars Hammarberg who did nothing at all...not sure if they were in the 64-14 match ?...Emily Sova at Belle Vue didn't last long nut was actually quite entertaining and a very friendly guy.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted March 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Trotter65 said: When I first started going to speedway in 1978 I only saw speedway at Hyde Road for the first couple of years...so for me that was what speedway was about..no idea about what Eastbourne for example was like so my early impression of riders was based on Hyde Road form disorders some of the southern teams who visited once a year had some particularly poor foreign riders...Henryck Glucklich may been ok ?...I remember him as being poor based on a Hyde Road visit....I remember Uno Johansson coming in for one Belle Vue match and being very poor...I remember Eastbourne coming with Borge Kling and Lars Hammarberg who did nothing at all...not sure if they were in the 64-14 match ?...Emily Sova at Belle Vue didn't last long nut was actually quite entertaining and a very friendly guy.. Glucklich was a decent rider on the international scene, but never showed any of that in the BL, and Johansson had a couple of brief stints a few years apart, without showing any form. Hammarberg and Ring (not Kling - there was also a Borje KLINGBERG at Eastbourne at another time) were never that great, and with a home track like Eastbourne, it would have been a big difference to Hyde Rd. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest compost Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 7 hours ago, chunky said: Glucklich was a decent rider on the international scene, but never showed any of that in the BL, and Johansson had a couple of brief stints a few years apart, without showing any form. Agree re Glucklich though didn't he always ride on borrowed kit - never brought his Polish gear over here ? Thought he rode the track spare for Racers home meetings. Maybe more a sign of bad promoting than a bad rider (I always thought he wasn't that bad but very frustrating to support as too erratic). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, compost said: Agree re Glucklich though didn't he always ride on borrowed kit - never brought his Polish gear over here ? Thought he rode the track spare for Racers home meetings. Maybe more a sign of bad promoting than a bad rider (I always thought he wasn't that bad but very frustrating to support as too erratic). ...Recall Glucklich getting on the wrong side of Billy Sanders at Smallmead on one occasion which led to Billy administering his own form of justice after an on track altercation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) Don’t think Glücklich belongs in this category at all.Ok near the end of his career he had a bad season in the BL , but that doesn’t wipe out his achievements or make him ‘forgotten’ or obscure https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henryk_Glücklich Finished 5th in the world and in the 75 European Final finished 5th behind Mauger,Olsen,Crump and Michanek having beaten both Olsen and Michanek in the meeting. Edited March 7, 2019 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmet Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 I knew a forgotten European,. . but I can't remember his name. . .www.speedwaychampions.com www.speedway-sa.com 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted March 7, 2019 Report Share Posted March 7, 2019 How about South African Mark Frost, he's certainly a forgotten European! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted March 8, 2019 Report Share Posted March 8, 2019 On 3/7/2019 at 1:50 PM, arnieg said: How about South African Mark Frost, he's certainly a forgotten European! alias Mark Frost, who really was a Hungarian in disguise. What was his real name? Was it Attila Stefani, or Laszlo Stefani? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 7 hours ago, Bavarian said: alias Mark Frost, who really was a Hungarian in disguise. What was his real name? Was it Attila Stefani, or Laszlo Stefani? Remember him riding for 'The Cheetahs' in 1996 and he showed some promise before he was injured (I think he suffered a broken leg?) It was Paul Hurry who realised his potential during, I think, a trip to South Africa? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) Here is a picture of a South Africa speedway team touring Poland in 1994 The rider in the middle of the front row is Attila Stefani (alias Mark Frost). Next to him (the second from the left) is his brother Laszlo Stefani. Edited March 9, 2019 by Bavarian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miro Posted April 4, 2019 Report Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) J osef angermuller Edited April 5, 2019 by miro Error 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 9 hours ago, miro said: J osef angermuller Just like Josef Angermüller of Reading, most of the 1970s/80s Germans in the British League are pretty much forgotten now, like Carsten Pelzmann of Middlesbro, Peter Würterle of Reading, Georg Hack of Ipswich, Hans Wassermann of Reading, or Gerd Uhlenbrock of Coventry, and probably some others whom I have forgotten about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 It is slightly unfair to say Angermuller, Wassermann or Uhlenbrock are forgotten. Think the Reading riders are fondly remembered by their fans of the time. Seem to recall them getting mentioned from time to time and also the anniversary of Sepp’s death was reported in Germany . One such I am sure I posted here before https://www.donaukurier.de/nachrichten/bayern/Wolnzach-wochennl452014-Ein-Komet-am-Speedway-Himmel;art155371,2980946 Uhlenbrock is also possibly remembered more in the UK than in Germany, possibly because of the fake news reported at the time that he escaped East Germany with his family in a motor bike and sidecar. The work of Dave Lanning ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, iris123 said: It is slightly unfair to say Angermuller, Wassermann or Uhlenbrock are forgotten. Have to agree there. This thread really concentrated on those who are easily forgotten, either because their British careers were almost over before they started (one or two matches), or they just weren't any good! No, their British careers weren't that long, but Wasserman and Hack were both very accomplished riders, and like Glucklich, both had decent international careers, include World Final qualification. Angermuller maybe wasn't quite as impressive in the UK, but again he had a fair reputation in mainland Europe. Steve Edited April 5, 2019 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 Has anyone mentioned Adi Funk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted April 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 49 minutes ago, customhouseregular said: Has anyone mentioned Adi Funk? You did... Actually, iris123 mentioned him in the very first reply on thread. Funny, you can't really say somebody is forgotten when they have such a funky name! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 11 minutes ago, chunky said: You did... Actually, iris123 mentioned him in the very first reply on thread. Funny, you can't really say somebody is forgotten when they have such a funky name! Steve I think he might have me on ‘ignore’ !!! Can’t for the life of me say why, as I don’t think I have had a Barney with him. But yesterday someone asked if there was any videos from the recent ice speedway meeting in the Netherlands, and I posted a couple. A few hours later customhouse posted that there is one on YouTube!!! The one I had already posted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 I would never ignore you iris. I just get forgetful and confused . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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