Rob B Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 This is ridiculous that Polish league is riding on Friday nights on GP weekend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 If I was a GP rider, really wanting to be a world champ, I wouldnt want to be racing on the Friday before a GP on Saturday. I a Polish club "forced me" and I rode Friday I think I would ride safe and instead of riding for a maximum I would go for a safe 6. At £1000 a point thats still £6k, have fufilled the contract to Polish team, and fir to race in the Saturday. I seem to think there is a lack of respect from Polish league to FIM World Championship and that is not healthy. Maybe because Poland struggle to get an individual speedway world champ no matter how many under 21 world champs they get, or team championships. As for the concept of rider qualifying position being rewarded with choice of rider number. Last night was a bit boring, some things were wrong, but I think it will get sorted to something better. Cant see why fastest in practice, Kolodgie, goes last. Obvious track condition goes worse. Give fastest in practice the choice to go first, or first after the track grade. I think it will get interesting as the GPs move forward. Previous history of best gate at a track may well decide what rider number is picked, so getting into the riders mind by interviews may well be interesting. I was watching MotoGP qualifying today, bit like F1, fastest 10 in practice go straight to Q2, whilst the other 12 are in Q1 and only top 2 get into Q1. The track went from dry in practice to damp in Q2. SO tyre choice played a big part. Rossi chose a slick and it paid off, he was 1.5 seconds faster then the next man with 5 minutes to go. You could see the cogs of the minds of Rossi and his crew working out whether to go again or know there will be no challange. Also could see the scramble of the other pit crews changing tyres etc. Once on an outdoor speedway GP track the change in weather conditions could also play a big part. Will be interesting, some mods to be made though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 11:04 AM, DutchGrasstrack said: If FIM makes it mandatory then the Polish league has nothing to say. Easy. Expand Not true. Polish league can say to riders " You ride for us or the GP. One or the other". Then probably most of the current GP riders will pick Poland for regular high earnings which will totally devalue the GP. Mind you it would probably give Craig Cook a better chance, lol. Also Polish Federation could order their riders to ride in Poland or be suspended then you wouldn't have any Polish guys in the GP. On 5/18/2019 at 12:27 PM, Rob B said: This is ridiculous that Polish league is riding on Friday nights on GP weekend. Expand Quite simply money talks. Every Polish Extra-league match is televised live this year. Two on Fridays, two on Sundays, so the Polish Federation are obviously getting mega zlots for this. They are hardly likely to choose to lose that money by saying no we are not riding on GP Fridays. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 12:32 AM, racers and royals said: The free practice which happened before we joined the coverage(5pm to 6pm UK time) was also timed and the slowest rider Doyle went 1st and the fastest Kolodziej went last. 2nd slowest 2nd 2nd fastest 2nd from last etc etc Expand That's no bloody good, it needs to be done out of the hat imo ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 12:27 PM, Rob B said: This is ridiculous that Polish league is riding on Friday nights on GP weekend. Expand It'll always be a problem whilst BSI run the show, each GP should be run by it's own federation imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 2:30 PM, Trees said: It'll always be a problem whilst BSI run the show, each GP should be run by it's own federation imo Expand Why? What benefits would that bring to the GP series.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 2:32 PM, OveFundinFan said: Why? What benefits would that bring to the GP series.? Expand The federations get the money made from the GPs not BSI ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 2:33 PM, Trees said: The federations get the money made from the GPs not BSI ......... Expand AND who pays for them in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 2:38 PM, PHILIPRISING said: AND who pays for them in the first place? Expand The federations if that's what you mean ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 I don’t know how much, or even if there is money to be made. Are there no losses? What about New Zealand, and more recently Australia.? Would some of the current countries not hold a gp? Or would all gps be in Poland and one in Cardiff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 2:52 PM, OveFundinFan said: I don’t know how much, or even if there is money to be made. Are there no losses? What about New Zealand, and more recently Australia.? Would some of the current countries not hold a gp? Or would all gps be in Poland and one in Cardiff? Expand BSI wouldn't hold onto the rights of there was no money to be made? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 11:04 AM, DutchGrasstrack said: If FIM makes it mandatory then the Polish league has nothing to say. Easy. Expand Who’s the top dog in the FIM? U sure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 2:30 PM, Trees said: It'll always be a problem whilst BSI run the show, each GP should be run by it's own federation imo Expand Not sure you even know what your on about... Warsaw is run by PZM. Cardiff is BSI. You only need to read the SR’s of the meetings to see who is organising then. The other Polish GP’s are probably the local clubs. Not all GP’s have the same deal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 8:23 PM, f-s-p said: Not sure you even know what your on about... Warsaw is run by PZM. Cardiff is BSI. You only need to read the SR’s of the meetings to see who is organising then. The other Polish GP’s are probably the local clubs. Not all GP’s have the same deal... Expand AND BSI pay the FIM millions each year for the commercial rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 8:23 PM, f-s-p said: Not sure you even know what your on about... Warsaw is run by PZM. Cardiff is BSI. You only need to read the SR’s of the meetings to see who is organising then. The other Polish GP’s are probably the local clubs. Not all GP’s have the same deal... Expand All of the ones that are not run by BSI will be paying a hefty fee to BSI, though! Not that I am against BSI...I am 100% confident we would never have had Cardiff if the series stayed in the hands of the local federations. The British GP would probably currently be getting held at Kings Lynn if that had happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 9:23 PM, PHILIPRISING said: AND BSI pay the FIM millions each year for the commercial rights. Expand Thats how it works.0 On 5/18/2019 at 9:27 PM, HenryW said: All of the ones that are not run by BSI will be paying a hefty fee to BSI, though! Expand Are they? Or is that an assumption? Hefty is also quite a general way of defining things. Torun hefty is not the same as Hallstavik hefty... And what ever they are paying, thats the deal they’ve agreed to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 8:23 PM, f-s-p said: Not sure you even know what your on about... Warsaw is run by PZM. Cardiff is BSI. You only need to read the SR’s of the meetings to see who is organising then. The other Polish GP’s are probably the local clubs. Not all GP’s have the same deal... Expand So the PZM take all the gate monies, sponsorship and TV monies from that GP? If they do then great .... I eat my words, well done BSI! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 9:23 PM, PHILIPRISING said: AND BSI pay the FIM millions each year for the commercial rights. Expand It's the profit they make that speedway misses out on ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 On 5/19/2019 at 6:49 AM, Trees said: So the PZM take all the gate monies, sponsorship and TV monies from that GP? If they do then great .... I eat my words, well done BSI! Expand If thats their deal with BSI then yes. I’ve never seen the contract so wouldnt know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 THE TV fees obviously go to BSI, part of the "commercial" deal because it is they who provide all the facilities, pictures, etc and negotiate with the various countries that screen the series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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