racers and royals Posted February 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 minute ago, PHILIPRISING said: HOW does that work? I'm confused... surely the best way to get the starting number you want is to be the fastest? If you are the slowest you get what is left after 15 others have made there pick. He is talking about the free practice before the flying laps, which determine 1 to 16 start. Presumably the slowest in free practice goes 1st in the flying laps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: HOW does that work? I'm confused... surely the best way to get the starting number you want is to be the fastest? If you are the slowest you get what is left after 15 others have made there pick. No, it says the slowest in free practice gets to record a time in the qualifiers first and fastest last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: No, it says the slowest in free practice gets to record a time in the qualifiers first and fastest last. AS I understand it the track will be graded after each flying lap... may be wrong but it would be unfair if that wasn't the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: No, it says the slowest in free practice gets to record a time in the qualifiers first and fastest last. Ah, so Free Practice becomes a slow bicycle race! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 23 minutes ago, Gambo said: Ah, so Free Practice becomes a slow bicycle race! If I was a rider yes. Would certainly want to do my flying laps on a tip top track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 25 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: AS I understand it the track will be graded after each flying lap... may be wrong but it would be unfair if that wasn't the case. It can't be. 16 rider's at 60sec qualifying laps and a grade after each attempt would take hours. Also to record the times in free practice then the track would need grading after each rider's been out in that. The more you read the more ridiculous this new idea sounds. It's ok saying other motorsports use qualifying but most of this is on tarmac tracks. Even then, most teams only record a time when they think the track will be at peak for the tyres etc. I do fear that last season's GP was probably one of the best series for a while, now they're trying to spoil the racing so the fastest guy gets the best pick of the draw. Which for me would be gates 1 or 2 twice in a meeting. It will kill the spectacle imo, will also favour Zmarzlik who showed in 2018 he was clearly the fastest, probably also the lightest guy in the field too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 23 hours ago, KEITH M said: Hopefully speedway Grand Prix wont be going the same way They already did a long time ago - just with much smaller crowds, less money, and much less public interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted February 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 (edited) This is from the GP website " Each rider will get the option to take four practice runs in groups of three during a free practice session. The order in which riders take to the track will be predetermined by the FIM – not by the 2018 championship positions." Presumably the meeting WC gets his chance along with the 15 permanent riders to choose his start position - in which case 16 does not divide by 3 !! Edit wonder if that should have read 3 practice runs in groups of 4 ?? Edited February 9, 2019 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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iwright71 Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 Surely this is a joke ! It just seems a quirky change just for changes sake. How is this going to provide better / fairer racing when there is statistical data available for most tracks as to what are the best and most importantly worst gates at each venue. Is the open draw now not sexy enough, at least it was fair and over a season you took the rough with the smooth. An early tip for all the riders, after going to Krsko last year do not pick a start number which includes 2 outside gates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 24 minutes ago, iwright71 said: Surely this is a joke ! It just seems a quirky change just for changes sake. How is this going to provide better / fairer racing when there is statistical data available for most tracks as to what are the best and most importantly worst gates at each venue. Is the open draw now not sexy enough, at least it was fair and over a season you took the rough with the smooth. An early tip for all the riders, after going to Krsko last year do not pick a start number which includes 2 outside gates. THE transponders are also to be used during the meeting and will determine any close finishes. It is the riders who were pressing for transponders. They are interested in times, etc. Will it make any difference to crowds and entertainment. No it won't but it will make practice sessions more interesting for those who are there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OML Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 5 hours ago, racers and royals said: Presumably the meeting WC gets his chance along with the 15 permanent riders to choose his start position - in which case 16 does not divide by 3 !! Don't forget the 2 reserves get to practice so it's 6 groups of 3 riders 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted February 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, atil said: Don't forget the 2 reserves get to practice so it's 6 groups of 3 riders Forgot that. Blimey practice is going to be a long affair now. It`s going to be nearly long enough for the riders required for the Extraleague fixtures to make it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 Cant the transponders also be used for "jumpstarts" aswell? Ref puts on the green light and he then releases the tapes as per normal. A warning is passed on to the timekeeper if any movement is triggered before the tapes go up. Ref would then put on the red lights coming out of the 2nd bend and warn rider. If the start was legal and the rider just made a great start then the race would not be called back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 hour ago, iwright71 said: Surely this is a joke ! It just seems a quirky change just for changes sake. How is this going to provide better / fairer racing when there is statistical data available for most tracks as to what are the best and most importantly worst gates at each venue. Is the open draw now not sexy enough, at least it was fair and over a season you took the rough with the smooth. An early tip for all the riders, after going to Krsko last year do not pick a start number which includes 2 outside gates. Past stats are probably worthless. They give the winning gate but there is no record of who was leading after the first bend. That must be a better indictor of which gate was the best for starting. Many riders come from behind to win a race - but this doesn't make there gate the best option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 2 hours ago, 2ndbendbeerhut said: Cant the transponders also be used for "jumpstarts" aswell? Ref puts on the green light and he then releases the tapes as per normal. A warning is passed on to the timekeeper if any movement is triggered before the tapes go up. Ref would then put on the red lights coming out of the 2nd bend and warn rider. If the start was legal and the rider just made a great start then the race would not be called back. I would like this to be possible My only doubt is that with the amount of power and tension at full revs no movement must be almost impossible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 For what I know there needs to be a set of wires either under the track surface or above it (that would mean about 2,5 meters). Dont know if theres a ponder that can be detected from 2,5 meters going 110 kmh. In RC cars its under the track, two wires separated by about 20cm. So the ponder goes between the two and is detected by the system and thats a hit. A bit like RFID if you know that system. so for the system to detect false starts the wires would need to cross the track at the white line and a bit after. In athletics I think they have sensors for movement in the start racks(?), F1 is probably based on gps but with speedway the riders would want to start downhill so the basic start position on all gates changed as the meeting progresses... Solution for a problem creating another problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andout Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 Don't very often respond to things on here but this really seems like the old cliche to me....."If its not broke lets fix it".......this to me should be rated PG....Pure Garbage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 42 minutes ago, andout said: Don't very often respond to things on here but this really seems like the old cliche to me....."If its not broke lets fix it".......this to me should be rated PG....Pure Garbage! This is a step towards making riders wanting to ride the practise instead of an Ekstraliga meeting. Thats it. But if lets say six of 16 are away from practise and are under the lottery, what difference does it make? Bugger all. Add one 5 mins of rain between heats 3-4 and all that was gained is gone. Politics. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Fair play for trying to come up with new ideas and transponders can only be a good thing in races. However of all motor sports Speedway is about being in front not necessarily about being fast so I don't think the qualifying is a good thing. If experience in other motorcycle sports is anything to go by there will be some surprises as to who the fastest one lap guys are in comparison to those who have been winning races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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