customhouseregular Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Plechanov Samorodov Kurilenko Trofimov Sayfutdinov Lagta G. Laguta A, Gordeev Klementiev Checkranov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, customhouseregular said: Plechanov Samorodov Kurilenko Trofimov Sayfutdinov Lagta G. Laguta A, Gordeev Klementiev Checkranov Plechanov, V.Gordeev,G.Gordeev, Laguta, A.Laguta, Sayutdinov, Trofimov, Khlinovsky, Kuzmin, Klementiev. Edited January 31, 2019 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Oordeev Bros (although they were once viewed with suspicion by the West as being one of the same!), Chylnovski, Paznikov, Trofimov, Pavlov, Kuzmin, Starostin, Kuznetsov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andout Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 Missing one rider that was popular with the Ladies, shall we say....that being Gab Kadirov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 On 1/31/2019 at 12:37 PM, steve roberts said: Oordeev Bros (although they were once viewed with suspicion by the West as being one of the same!), Never heard that.I do know one of the Wiesböck twins,Alois was banned at one time,because he rode as his brother,Josef in a world championship quali!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, iris123 said: Never heard that.I do know one of the Wiesböck twins,Alois was banned at one time,because he rode as his brother,Josef in a world championship quali!!! Goes back to when Vladimir received a years ban after using nitro during the 1971 World Final. Valeri then suddenly appeared on the international scene in 1972 and for a couple of years they never appeared together in a meeting in the west and a conspiracy theory began to develop that they were one in the same...hard to believe I know but I do remember the rumours and counter rumours flying around at the time. If I remember they eventually appeared together in Britain during a test series in 1974...unfortunately the Oxford meeting was cancelled and it wasn't until 1976 that I got to see the Russians in action (Swindon) Good story if nothing else and probably fabricated by mischeivious western journalists at the time! Edited February 1, 2019 by steve roberts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 Re the Gordeev brothers.... I was browsing through Wikipedia about a week ago, just going through a few years of world championship qualifiers ie Continental, European etc, and there was a meeting that both brothers scored. Now if they had been the same person that must have been an interesting meeting when they raced against each other. Cant remember what year or what championship, but my eyes did not deceive me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 hour ago, steve roberts said: Good story if nothing else and probably fabricated by mischeivious western journalists at the time! Well someone I guess at the Star also came up with the story about how Coventry’s East German,Gerhard Uhlenbrock escaped Communism hidden in a sidecar or maybe he had his family hidden.Anyway it was fake news as it is known nowadays 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 hour ago, iris123 said: Well someone I guess at the Star also came up with the story about how Coventry’s East German,Gerhard Uhlenbrock escaped Communism hidden in a sidecar or maybe he had his family hidden.Anyway it was fake news as it is known nowadays I recall that Garry Middleton was instrumental in getting Gerhard a team place at Coventry in 1973. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, OveFundinFan said: Re the Gordeev brothers.... I was browsing through Wikipedia about a week ago, just going through a few years of world championship qualifiers ie Continental, European etc, and there was a meeting that both brothers scored. Now if they had been the same person that must have been an interesting meeting when they raced against each other. Cant remember what year or what championship, but my eyes did not deceive me. I think that westerners were suspicious because they hadn't apeared together outside the communist block together which is how the story came about I guess. Good old 'cold war' speculation and mistique which then surrounded the old Eastern block. I do remember reading about it so I'm sure it wasn't just my memory playing tricks. May have been Dave Lanning who was always upto a trick ot two! Edited February 1, 2019 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) Dear old the late Dave Lanning RIP. I recall in the 1950s he claimed the then 'Speedway Star' columnists Danny Carter and Angus Kix were the same person. Edited February 2, 2019 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 7 hours ago, OveFundinFan said: Re the Gordeev brothers.... I was browsing through Wikipedia about a week ago, just going through a few years of world championship qualifiers ie Continental, European etc, and there was a meeting that both brothers scored. Now if they had been the same person that must have been an interesting meeting when they raced against each other. Cant remember what year or what championship, but my eyes did not deceive me. As has been said, the idea of them being one and the same was just a crazy idea based on the western distrust of Eastern bloc nations at the time - and perhaps a little Lanning sensationalism! They both rode in the 1976 World Team Cup final at White City. I think that was the only time I saw them together in person, but they were also in the 1975 final. Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 2 hours ago, chunky said: As has been said, the idea of them being one and the same was just a crazy idea based on the western distrust of Eastern bloc nations at the time - and perhaps a little Lanning sensationalism! They both rode in the 1976 World Team Cup final at White City. I think that was the only time I saw them together in person, but they were also in the 1975 final. Steve I think that that 'rumours' escalated because, obviously, Vladimir was barred from the World stage during 1972 Valeri suddenly appeared and rode in the 1972 World Final at Wembley and no one in the west was aware of him. As a matter of interest he was involved in the Briggo crash. In 1973 Valeri rode again in the World Final but didn't ride in Britain during the Daily Mirror World League competition whereas brother Vlad did. However Valeri did then ride at Wembley that same year during the World Team Cup whereas Vlad didn't. Of couse they eventually teamed up together in Britain during the test series in 1974 and the rumour makers were made to eat their words. I recall that it was all good fun back then and speculation rife but of course proved pure nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 ... and here is a picture of the Gordeev Brothers ! Valeri is seen on the left side of this picture (wearing the USSR No.9 racejacket) and his elder brother Vladimir is on the right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 ... and here's a team picture with the Gordeev brothers in the USSR Test Team on their 1974 UK tour http://www.internationalspeedway.co.uk/engvsu.htm Valeri Gordeev (no.1) and Vladimir Gordeev (no.2) in the front row (center left side) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 We also had that legendary fake story of Sergei Baranov or whateverhewascalled from the(this bit will have you in Stiches)Red Herring fleet,who turned out to be some second half(wit)er Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, iris123 said: We also had that legendary fake story of Sergei Baranov or whateverhewascalled from the(this bit will have you in Stiches)Red Herring fleet,who turned out to be some second half(wit)er Igor Baranov. I saw him at New Cross when well-known showman, Johnnie Hoskins, was the promoter. I wonder if there was any connection.... Edited February 2, 2019 by norbold 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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