Sings4Speedway Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Islander15 said: Surely not?! He’s an Aussie Aussie with a passport though? Surely Champ average doubled wouldn't fit though? Edited June 7, 2019 by Sings4Speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterPlinge Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 Belle Vue sign Connor Bailey https://bellevue-speedway.com/news/2019/6/7/belle-vue-bring-in-bailey?fbclid=IwAR1Gbt9QB7qKWZznT7SwaNb1Derfm2gMiiPWgT-HERhdCLjfNj6jji1uYHU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, WalterPlinge said: Belle Vue sign Connor Bailey https://bellevue-speedway.com/news/2019/6/7/belle-vue-bring-in-bailey?fbclid=IwAR1Gbt9QB7qKWZznT7SwaNb1Derfm2gMiiPWgT-HERhdCLjfNj6jji1uYHU Hats off to the Colts a hugely tipped and backed rider and massive swing in momentum towards the Manchester Club. All about timing still though and could yet see a weaker tail come play off time....but equally could see Danny Phillips at 7 if the others keep rapidly improving . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: Aussie with a passport though? Surely Champ average doubled wouldn't fit though? His Championship average is assessed so doubt it counts. The real issue is teams are now ignoring the x2 2.00 rider rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 The Colts only have one 2.00 - Connor Bailey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 17 hours ago, Islander15 said: His Championship average is assessed so doubt it counts. The real issue is teams are now ignoring the x2 2.00 rider rule. Both Jordan and Ben started on a 2 point average and now Connor is doing the same. That makes it a total of signing three 2 point averages 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 18 hours ago, Islander15 said: His Championship average is assessed so doubt it counts. The real issue is teams are now ignoring the x2 2.00 rider rule. Real issue is , why are they giving an Aussie a team place , are there no British kids without a team spot ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uluru Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 His family relocated from Perth to Victoria a couple of years back to get him more track time and are now emigrating to the UK to give him the best-possible chance to become a professional. The kid has patriality. Like Rory Schlein, Mitchell Davey, Ellis Perks, etc, etc, etc So he can ride in your National League. Good luck, lad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterPlinge Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Gunner85 said: Both Jordan and Ben started on a 2 point average and now Connor is doing the same. That makes it a total of signing three 2 point averages Kyle Bickley and Ben Woodhull also joined Belle Vue on the minimum average as a reserve too. So it's a total of 5. (as did Paul Bowen, so it was 6). Leon Flint and Danny Phillips joined the NL on the minimum average, just not with BV. In fact most riders come in on the minimum average. Only those dropping from a higher league don't. (can only think of Ledwith). Of course there is a rule saying that you can only have two 2.00 riders in a team at a time. This is to ensure that a new 2.00 starts at reserve, and isn't thrown straight into the main body. (e.g. BV couldn't have signed Bailey and thrown him into the main body while Palin and Rathbone were still both occupying the reserve berths on 2.00. They had to wait until one or both moved up on a higher average and a space became available at reserve) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 3 hours ago, Gunner85 said: Both Jordan and Ben started on a 2 point average and now Connor is doing the same. That makes it a total of signing three 2 point averages I see your thinking but if a team signed two 2 pointers at the start of the year and another team member had a loss of form and dropped to 2 it seems unfair to me that one of them should be sacked, especially if the club wanted to stand by them and keep them in the team. Bit harsh and I cannot agree with you on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 19.7.1.1 says " A Team’s Declaration (initial and re-declared) is 36.00 with a minimum MA of 2.00. A maximum of two 2.00 riders are permitted per team." It is about Declarations & team changes & not a rolling average. Everything above board as far as I can see. Similar happenings at Cradley I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterPlinge Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 41 minutes ago, ouch said: if a team signed two 2 pointers at the start of the year and another team member had a loss of form and dropped to 2 it seems unfair to me that one of them should be sacked, You're making your own rules up! Where has anyone said you have to sack a rider if his average drops? All we're talking about is the rule that you can't bring in another 2.00 rider if your reserve berths are already filled with two 2.00 riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 1 hour ago, WalterPlinge said: You're making your own rules up! Where has anyone said you have to sack a rider if his average drops? All we're talking about is the rule that you can't bring in another 2.00 rider if your reserve berths are already filled with two 2.00 riders. Oh, that’s ok then. When Connor comes in on 2 the other six are, 9.46, 8.55, 8.39, 7.29, 3.47 & 3.06. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 Good luck Connor on your Colts debut tomorrow. How exciting is this young Colts side......top 3 averages are 15, 16 and 17 year olds ,,,,,,, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 On 6/8/2019 at 12:53 PM, IronScorpion said: 19.7.1.1 says " A Team’s Declaration (initial and re-declared) is 36.00 with a minimum MA of 2.00. A maximum of two 2.00 riders are permitted per team." It is about Declarations & team changes & not a rolling average. Everything above board as far as I can see. Similar happenings at Cradley I see. Rolling averages don’t exist in the NL. It is about interpretation again! It doesn’t say ‘2 per team based on current average’ or ‘2 per team based on initial average’ in order to clarify the impossible difference. However at Cradley they have x3 riders on a 2.00, unless Davies gets a made up average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Islander15 said: Rolling averages don’t exist in the NL. It is about interpretation again! It doesn’t say ‘2 per team based on current average’ or ‘2 per team based on initial average’ in order to clarify the impossible difference. However at Cradley they have x3 riders on a 2.00, unless Davies gets a made up average. According to issue 8 of the averages on the BSPA site, Davies has an average of 2.59. Interestingly, that same issue has Palin, Rathbone and Bailey all currently on 2.00 for Belle Vue, but has a note that the redecleration is effective on the 10th June when Palin & Rathbone get new averages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 Palin's average has increased from 2.00 to 9.45 based on 4 meetings & Phillips average has increased from 6.75 to 7.29 which must be a rolling average! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 1 hour ago, HenryW said: According to issue 8 of the averages on the BSPA site, Davies has an average of 2.59. Interestingly, that same issue has Palin, Rathbone and Bailey all currently on 2.00 for Belle Vue, but has a note that the redecleration is effective on the 10th June when Palin & Rathbone get new averages Nobody has sufficiently explained how davies has attained that average. Interesting. You would assume that Bailey would’ve appeared in the declaration once those two’s averages go up! 38 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: Palin's average has increased from 2.00 to 9.45 based on 4 meetings & Phillips average has increased from 6.75 to 7.29 which must be a rolling average! Phillips has achieved that from 4 meetings also. All NL riders get a new average from the first 4 league meetings of the season if they ride in all 4. Phillips has 31 points from 17 races. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 On 6/8/2019 at 10:50 AM, adonis said: Real issue is , why are they giving an Aussie a team place , are there no British kids without a team spot ? He has a British passport . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Greg said: He has a British passport . So do loads of other british kids , and they all live here as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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