25yearfan Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 A previous poster said that Smith had been released by Belle Vue before he had signed for Redcar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedyOne Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, 25yearfan said: A previous poster said that Smith had been released by Belle Vue before he had signed for Redcar! "A previous poster" is wrong then. (People sometimes are wrong on internet forums). Only being announced at Redcar on Friday doesn't mean he didn't actually sign weeks ago. If you want to know, it's often best to ask someone directly involved. That's what I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25yearfan Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 Fair enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummies_Ste Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 This what Jack tweeted on Nov 30th Really enjoyed my 2 years with the Bellevue Colts! It’s gunna be hard to not be involved with Bellevue next season, me and the club are on good terms, just the new rules with the NL has lot me my job, all the best to them next season! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 Report in Speedy Star two weeks ago stated Belle Vue released Jack. Maybe he had already agreed a deal with Redcar. A rider of his level needs NL rides to gain experience. Another victim of averages, as was Papa Smith on several occasions. 38 was a dreadful decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Smith was just a victim of not progressing and the club looking to freshen things up. He managed to put .21 on his average all season which is pretty much treading water. Whilst he may have the benefit of family ties with B.V (which many do not have the luxury of) he was starting to stagnate and a move on will benefit him in the longer term rather than rely on the protection of a legacy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 I don’t think Jack has developed as quickly as he would have expected. It could go either way him being absent from the national league. Sometimes if your form is poor in the league above you need that assurance that you have some easier rides below to bring some confidence back. Equally it could be the best thing he’s done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 I agree with that, for many riders the removal of a safety net aids their development. Would Jason Doyle of become World Champion had he not had the visa issues restricting him to top flight action? Personally I think not. Lambert rejected a fast track berth in the Elite and opted to go in the main body and thrived. Bewley went into PL at the start of his debut season and look how he has come along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 46 minutes ago, teaboy279 said: I agree with that, for many riders the removal of a safety net aids their development. Would Jason Doyle of become World Champion had he not had the visa issues restricting him to top flight action? Personally I think not. Lambert rejected a fast track berth in the Elite and opted to go in the main body and thrived. Bewley went into PL at the start of his debut season and look how he has come along. Bewley is the rider I look at when I think about jack and his own development. I know dan is a rare case and people develop differently, but watching them in the same team really highlighted the difference. I actually think it’ll help jack dropping the national league. Without that assurance now it’s even more important to thrive in the championship 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Dan is a once in a blue moon rider....riders with his talent at a such tender age are an absolute rarity. i agree Jack has not developed as much as he or the supporters would have wanted... being dumped by Sheffield so that they could sign Broc Nicol did a lot of damage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 On 12/20/2018 at 8:02 PM, teaboy279 said: I agree with that, for many riders the removal of a safety net aids their development. Would Jason Doyle of become World Champion had he not had the visa issues restricting him to top flight action? Personally I think not. Lambert rejected a fast track berth in the Elite and opted to go in the main body and thrived. Bewley went into PL at the start of his debut season and look how he has come along. Dans been riding speedway bikes long before he started racing them,he didn’t just turn up one day and take to it just like that.hes probably done more laps on a speedway bike than even bickley.he is though an incredible talent on a motorcycle and I’m sure he will go to the top of the sport . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 28 minutes ago, bigred said: Dans been riding speedway bikes long before he started racing them,he didn’t just turn up one day and take to it just like that.hes probably done more laps on a speedway bike than even bickley.he is though an incredible talent on a motorcycle and I’m sure he will go to the top of the sport . Dan was a young BYMX champion and never rode a speedway bike in his life until he started getting a bit of coaching from Steve Lawson around the October after the mx season finished and started racing the following year he was just a natural kid with great bike skills that had a great coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterPlinge Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 1 hour ago, bigred said: Dans been riding speedway bikes long before he started racing them,he didn’t just turn up one day and take to it just like that. hes probably done more laps on a speedway bike than even bickley. You've got that completely arse about face. Dan Bewley was a very good youth motocrosser who had never sat on a speedway bike until Steve Lawson let him have a go round his farm during the winter. Belle Vue got wind of him and went to a few winter series meetings at Scunthorpe with him that winter, before signing him. When he lined up for his first NL heat of his debut season it was his first ever competitive race. In contrast Kyle Bickley had little or no motocross experience, but rode grasstrack from a very early age and came through the youth speedway route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 51 minutes ago, WalterPlinge said: You've got that completely arse about face. Dan Bewley was a very good youth motocrosser who had never sat on a speedway bike until Steve Lawson let him have a go round his farm during the winter. Belle Vue got wind of him and went to a few winter series meetings at Scunthorpe with him that winter, before signing him. When he lined up for his first NL heat of his debut season it was his first ever competitive race. In contrast Kyle Bickley had little or no motocross experience, but rode grasstrack from a very early age and came through the youth speedway route. Looks to me like he made his PL debut before his NL debut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterPlinge Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 1 minute ago, JCookie said: Looks to me like he made his PL debut before his NL debut? You're not making any sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 33 minutes ago, WalterPlinge said: You're not making any sense I also thought he made his PL debut before his NL by virtue of Edinburghs season starting before the Colts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, teaboy279 said: I also thought he made his PL debut before his NL by virtue of Edinburghs season starting before the Colts. Yes Edinburgh were looking for a reserve and had invited riders that were interested to there press day and Dan got the spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterPlinge Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, teaboy279 said: I also thought he made his PL debut before his NL by virtue of Edinburghs season starting before the Colts. No. He made his NL debut by winning his first ever competitive race (heat 2 for the Colts). He went on loan to Edinburgh in 2nd division very quickly afterwards. The following year (2017) he made his PL debut with the Aces. Edited December 22, 2018 by WalterPlinge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 46 minutes ago, WalterPlinge said: No. He made his NL debut by winning his first ever competitive race (heat 2 for the Colts). He went on loan to Edinburgh in 2nd division very quickly afterwards. The following year (2017) he made his PL debut with the Aces. Looks like he actually made his PL (Premier League, at that stage) in April while his NL (National League) debut was weeks later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterPlinge Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, JCookie said: Looks like he actually made his PL (Premier League, at that stage) in April while his NL (National League) debut was weeks later. Like I keep saying. (See above). His first competitive ride was in the NL. He won his first ever competitive race in heat 2 for the Belle Vue Colts. He did then go on loan to Edinburgh (second tier). His top flight debut was the following year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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