BobC Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, Mike0310 said: We’re you there last night,we’re you at the iow Thursday? Or are you just part of the Plymouth witch-hunt brigade,who bases there decision on what they read on social media do you want the club to close,as the way a lot of people are going on including you that could happen I forgot stoke in the past Kent still now and a few others in the past have had problems with there tracks but I’m sure they haven’t suffered the same vitriol which has. Been aimed at Plymouth find something else to moan at because surely your getting bored going over the same ground again and again. I dont know of another track anywhere in the country that has had to have the meeting referee ask for track remedial work as many times as Plymouth have recently. There has certainly been 3 times in recent weeks. Last night alone, the referee had to be called into action on 3 occasions. That suggests,very strongly, that track preparation isnt right. I honestly feel that since the extra clay has been added, the quality of racing has diminished. Blue groove all the way round and if you come off that, you go backwards. The surface is like marbles,but when it gathers in a burm/rut, it throws riders at all angles. I know that some of the riders last night were not prepared to ride flat out as they didnt trust the track surface. Gate and they would try and hold on, but if they didnt gate, they would stay safe. I for one will not put any blame on them at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike0310 Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 Bob I no you’ve been there so I take your point but we do not want to lose anymore tracks and as I say if Plymouth keep taking a hammering I could see that happening it’s my team so I’m always going to have a bias it’s not as if we are gaining any advantage from it we’re bottom of the league.its not just Plymouth having trouble look at the top league earlier on in the season everyone was hammering Poole,Swindon and numerous other teams I’m keeping the faith as I’m praying it comes good but for the good of the sport we don’t want to lose anyone else I hope your well and you keep paying visits to Plymouth and hopefully your next visit will be a belting one but please can we all move on as we could be discussing another track closing if we don’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binman Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 Yes remember a club called Buxton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike0310 Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 No sheep till Buxton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper11 Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 What is it with the Plymouth track this season, there has always been good racing there in previous years. I really don't want to see them close (Buxton) but i can't see even there home support lasting with meetings like that. In the 1st half any rider that tried to race ended up in the fence so it meant riders just riding to survive a race rather than racing, that is not what people pay to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchie Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 2 hours ago, BobC said: I dont know of another track anywhere in the country that has had to have the meeting referee ask for track remedial work as many times as Plymouth have recently. There has certainly been 3 times in recent weeks. Last night alone, the referee had to be called into action on 3 occasions. That suggests,very strongly, that track preparation isnt right. I honestly feel that since the extra clay has been added, the quality of racing has diminished. Blue groove all the way round and if you come off that, you go backwards. The surface is like marbles,but when it gathers in a burm/rut, it throws riders at all angles. I know that some of the riders last night were not prepared to ride flat out as they didnt trust the track surface. Gate and they would try and hold on, but if they didnt gate, they would stay safe. I for one will not put any blame on them at all. Lets not forget that the problems started largely because fans were moaning about the dust. Since Mark has tried to rectify this issue it has seemed to cause more problems, mostly for visiting riders!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 What gets me is why they didn’t do the extra track work before any rider went on track if it was that bad why did riders have to crash before they did it mind you they did that when Leicester went and ended up ripping the complete track up ,tracks have to be race-able not just rideable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Mike0310 said: We’re you there last night,we’re you at the iow Thursday? Or are you just part of the Plymouth witch-hunt brigade,who bases there decision on what they read on social media do you want the club to close,as the way a lot of people are going on including you that could happen I forgot stoke in the past Kent still now and a few others in the past have had problems with there tracks but I’m sure they haven’t suffered the same vitriol which has. Been aimed at Plymouth find something else to moan at because surely your getting bored going over the same ground again and again. Witch hunt brigade ? I can say with some honesty I'd make the same comments whichever track it was (and indeed have done so many times). I don't need to be there to form an opinion on the fact that 'extensive' remedial work was needed before and during the meeting on the referees instructions. It is on your forum and the speedway updates site as well as social media and therefore beyond denial. Have you been to Stoke recently ? To their great credit, they have massively improved - something I have commented on, too. Plymouth was not a success under Ashley Taylor but I can never remember anything like this - indeed it was one of my favourite tracks and I said so many times, the little place that rode like a big one. That means it is not the track that is the problem, but the person preparing it. As to closure, you misunderstand me, Bob C, my pals who used to stand on the first bend and probably many others. We don't want Plymouth to close, far from it. We want them to admit they are wrong and change and I, certainly, would take great pleasure if they did so. Based upon what I have read, though, that is something that is simply not going to happen. Should Plymouth close, I would say you should start pointing fingers a little closer to home. Suggesting that that will be the responsibility of those who have been critical is a little like a butcher who goes bankrupt after selling rotten meat blaming customers for not buying it. Edited July 28, 2019 by Halifaxtiger 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 Plymouth is dangerous.. whilst it remains dangerous it wouldn't be a loss if it did shut down.. better that than someone gets seriously hurt... hopefully that doesnt happen and the promotion do something about it but nothing ive seen or read suggests thats going to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 How does Nathan Stoneman get a 4.92 GSA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobC Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 8 hours ago, mac101 said: What gets me is why they didn’t do the extra track work before any rider went on track if it was that bad why did riders have to crash before they did it mind you they did that when Leicester went and ended up ripping the complete track up ,tracks have to be race-able not just rideable The referee insisted track work started before a wheel was turned. It did take place,enough to start the meeting. I have mobile phone footage taken at 20.10,after only three races and several falls and subsequent withdrawals of two riders.It shows two tractors on the track near the pits entrance,one driven by Mark Phillips,the other by IOW Promoter Barry Bishop. They did try to fix it. However riding took place for the next 5-6 races, before we actually saw a pass.by a rider outriding another rather than a track surface induced wobble. I genuinely used to love the racing at Plymouth. Inside or out, I have seen some brilliant racing over the years. I am sorry to say that since the introduction of the extra clay, the surface and racing have suffered very badly. Rip the whole thing up and get in some proper shale and we could get back to some decent racing. Terrace talk suggests that the clay has been added so that they can run Quad racing. Apparently, the quads, in a noise test for the council, didnt like the shale surface as the werent able to skid properly. Very short sighted if true. I really do not want Plymouth to close. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 Terrace talk= idle gossip. Quads maybe once a season ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 54 minutes ago, arnieg said: How does Nathan Stoneman get a 4.92 GSA? Of the 4 league meetings he did, he crashed out of 2 of them! Also remember his excellent start of the season scores were NT meetings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper11 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, BobC said: The referee insisted track work started before a wheel was turned. It did take place,enough to start the meeting. I have mobile phone footage taken at 20.10,after only three races and several falls and subsequent withdrawals of two riders.It shows two tractors on the track near the pits entrance,one driven by Mark Phillips,the other by IOW Promoter Barry Bishop. They did try to fix it. However riding took place for the next 5-6 races, before we actually saw a pass.by a rider outriding another rather than a track surface induced wobble. I genuinely used to love the racing at Plymouth. Inside or out, I have seen some brilliant racing over the years. I am sorry to say that since the introduction of the extra clay, the surface and racing have suffered very badly. Rip the whole thing up and get in some proper shale and we could get back to some decent racing. Terrace talk suggests that the clay has been added so that they can run Quad racing. Apparently, the quads, in a noise test for the council, didnt like the shale surface as the werent able to skid properly. Very short sighted if true. I really do not want Plymouth to close. Spot on BobC. I can't remember the last Kent match at Plymouth i missed & along with B/V its a track i usually look forward to going to the most (not the journeys), but something has gone drastically wrong this year to ruin it. I do think part of the problem is the promotion seem to be in denial. Bates praised 13 of the 16 riders who took part as if they didn't mind riding but i spoke to alot before the meeting & that was far from true. I think they need to admit there is a big problem & try & get a track expert in b4 its to late as it seems they have tried & failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabba59 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 That's what's needed some one who knows how to fix a track when they have problems like Plymouth have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobC Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 Worth reading...... http://plymouthdevils.proboards.com/thread/9948/july-plymouth-silver-holidays-fours?page=3 If you are not sure what denial means, read Themattiebates version of events. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iand Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 Read a note on Facebook by Jordan Palin a young 15/16 yr Belle Vue guesting for IofW, from the comments shown he had never seen the track before. This is what he wrote "Yesterday I scored 6 points for the Isle off wight at Plymouth track was abit tricky to start with and want to say thank you to the track staff at Plymouth for getting the track sorted for my next ride and was a really nice track to ride Was meant to be at stoke today but got cancelled " 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike0310 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 What do you make of what an actual rider has to say then bob and others.someone actually on the track. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 16 minutes ago, Mike0310 said: What do you make of what an actual rider has to say then bob and others.someone actually on the track. Not a lot considering other riders actually at the track said it was a disgrace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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