dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 On 12/13/2018 at 8:33 PM, Richard Weston said: That's my opinion. I, for one, cannot see Danny Ayres becoming a top league heat leader and riding for England; nor Dan Halsey. Nice enough blokes but not development talent. I think teams having the likes of Ayres and Halsey is an important part of development so long as teams arent packed with them - one each side is positive Why? The new/lower guys have to have something to beat in order to progress Yes perhaps the 2 Dans arent going to go to the top but unless/until the newbies can challenge the likes of those 2 and beat them then there is little chance of progress for those other either 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I think teams having the likes of Ayres and Halsey is an important part of development so long as teams arent packed with them - one each side is positive Why? The new/lower guys have to have something to beat in order to progress Yes perhaps the 2 Dans arent going to go to the top but unless/until the newbies can challenge the likes of those 2 and beat them then there is little chance of progress for those other either Completely agree ……..with one issue. Young riders of their level shouldn't be frozen out so they can be accommodated. That, however, is more of a matter of the points limit. No-one in their right mind would say that having Jon Armstrong (now well into his 40's) in the NL is a bad thing. On 12/13/2018 at 3:50 PM, Richard Weston said: You miss the point totally. it is about age and development potential. look where Ellis is now. Bwd came in on a five ...look where he is now. I don't recall you objecting to Mark Baseby and when Ellis joined Eastbourne he was way beyond NL level - evidenced by a final finishing tally of 10.98 and the fact that at one point he was topping Poole's averages. Edited December 15, 2018 by Halifaxtiger 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntiqueSteve Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 15 hours ago, Richard Weston said: I don't think we will find any common ground. No it don't look like we will....we love Ayres..."Mr Entertainment" and we need more of em 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adz_mft Posted December 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 12 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said: Completely agree ……..with one issue. Young riders of their level shouldn't be frozen out so they can be accommodated. That, however, is more of a matter of the points limit. No-one in their right mind would say that having Jon Armstrong (now well into his 40's) in the NL is a bad thing. I don't recall you objecting to Mark Baseby and when Ellis joined Eastbourne he was way beyond NL level - evidenced by a final finishing tally of 10.98 and the fact that at one point he was topping Poole's averages. Funny how he pipes up as soon as Eastie leave the league mate lol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 13 hours ago, adz_mft said: Funny how he pipes up as soon as Eastie leave the league mate lol Think everyone will echo that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25yearfan Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 Going to quite a lot of Mildenhall and Ipswich meetings in 2018, I can confirm that Danny Ayres was certainly one of the bright spots and in my opinion would of done a job for the Witches at the bottom end. Dannys only been riding League 4-5 seasons, is a top heatleader at NL level and has aspirations to go higher, which I think he still can so I don't class him as a journeyman. On the other hand Danny Halsey who was a good servant to Mildenhall has been about for 15 years in the 3rd tier is now a journeyman cause he will probably never go any higher. That said hes still a decent enough rider and experienced enough to be of good use to young riders in the League. I'm pretty certain that if you had a Mildenhall team with mainly junior league standard riders, you lose a big % of the crowd which would seriously threaten the tracks existence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosTheory22 Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 Both myself and my family think it's great you've signed Danny Ayres. You always know you will be entertained watching him ride. Ranging from tantrums to riding the boards (air fence) He always gives 100%, it's never boring with him in a match. He will put bums on seats. A brilliant signing & well deserved team place. Danny Halsey nice guy who can do a good job on his day. So good Mildenhall continue in 2019. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 Completely agree about Danny Ayres, probably one of the top 3 entertainers in the business. Personally I do not see any reason for freezing out ANY rider, no matter his age. If a rider can score points and win races better than the next man, then he deserves to be in a team. The young talent will ALWAYS rise to the top, and having to beat experienced riders is VERY good for their development. No one ever thinks that Arno' should be pushed aside even though he is well into his 40's...He does a terrific job. And so can many others who are currently out of work simply because they have reached a certain level. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Didn't Craig Cook start racing at 21? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 22 hours ago, Richard Weston said: Speaks the man who has that great prospect Ledwith in his team. That is truly laughable. Ledwith storms to become world champion at 50. I can see the headlines. ROFL MY team does not have Ledwith...or for that matter anyone else. Lakeside is no more sadly. But frankly, if Ledwith at whatever age, can beat other riders, he is worth his place. IF his age stops him from entertaining on the track then get rid of him. As a VERY senior citizen, I have no age discrimination thoughts about ANY active lifestyle. Good luck to Ledwith, I say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 On 12/16/2018 at 6:17 PM, Richard Weston said: Speaks the man who has that great prospect Ledwith in his team. That is truly laughable. Ledwith storms to become world champion at 50. I can see the headlines. ROFL The fans don’t decide who their club signs. Just because Kent have signed Ledwith it doesn’t mean their supporters have to agree with it. ROFL indeed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orchardlane Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Leaves the door open for quality - Jordan Good luck and hope you have an injury free season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntiqueSteve Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 On 12/16/2018 at 6:17 PM, Richard Weston said: Speaks the man who has that great prospect Ledwith in his team. That is truly laughable. Ledwith storms to become world champion at 50. I can see the headlines. ROFL Yawn....................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 On 12/17/2018 at 10:56 AM, IronScorpion said: Didn't Craig Cook start racing at 21? John Louis was 29 before he had a go at speedway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 On 12/15/2018 at 5:57 AM, Halifaxtiger said: No-one in their right mind would say that having Jon Armstrong (now well into his 40's) in the NL is a bad thing. Well said. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orchardlane Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 However much the powers that be insist on calling it a develpment league, it serves little purpose if all the new riders do is race against each other. They need a yardstick against which to measure their talent. Seniors provide this as long as teams are not loaded with them. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 On 12/19/2018 at 8:56 PM, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: John Louis was 29 before he had a go at speedway Too right. When i first saw the tiger ride at Romford in 1970, he was alredy 30. I was just a wee lad at the time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 1 hour ago, cityrebel said: Too right. When i first saw the tiger ride at Romford in 1970, he was alredy 30. I was just a wee lad at the time! I was still a twinkle in my dads eye then! I was lucky that my childhood was Louis Sanders Davey Jolly Lanham etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 8 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I was still a twinkle in my dads eye then! I was lucky that my childhood was Louis Sanders Davey Jolly Lanham etc You're just a baby, my childhood was Eric Chitty, Aub Lawson, Cliff Watson, Jack Parker et al 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25yearfan Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 On 12/19/2018 at 8:56 PM, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: John Louis was 29 before he had a go at speedway Ipswich speedways greatest rider and one of Englands finest, John Louis was born in 1941 and had his first rides on a speedway bike at Foxhall in mid 1969, so he was just 28 I believe! I'm all for bringing on young riders, that has to be a main aspect of the National League but I disagree with putting a rider in the team just cause hes young. Also if riders like Jon Armstrong, Robert Ledwith are still quick enough then their experience can be invaluable to young riders! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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