HGould Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 East End Fan - not suggested he did anything as grand as affecting stadium or anything, more in the way shall I put better "loved to get one over"...got massive respect for Len Silver especially his Hackney days, a great race-track sadly lost. From what I know of pLough Lane which is limited any blame there is GRA and Council not anyone remotely involved in speedway racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, HGould said: East End Fan - not suggested he did anything as grand as affecting stadium or anything, more in the way shall I put better "loved to get one over"...got massive respect for Len Silver especially his Hackney days, a great race-track sadly lost. From what I know of pLough Lane which is limited any blame there is GRA and Council not anyone remotely involved in speedway racing. So in other words, you implied something that you had no proof of, and now saying you didn't/imply say it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 no I'm saying Len liked to get one over his biggest rivals at the time - shock horror! Not implying or proving anything, just stating the blindingly obvious. Like Toons and Mackems, Dons and Hawks, Bees and Heathens; Tigers and Monarchs.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 hours ago, HGould said: no I'm saying Len liked to get one over his biggest rivals at the time - shock horror! Not implying or proving anything, just stating the blindingly obvious. Like Toons and Mackems, Dons and Hawks, Bees and Heathens; Tigers and Monarchs.... 'Loved to get one over' and 'nobbling ' have very different connotations I would say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 16 hours ago, Sir Sidney said: 'Loved to get one over' and 'nobbling ' have very different connotations I would say. I have to agree with Sir Sidney. Nobbling suggests some underhanded action that would be frowned upon. It is far removed from "Getting One over" which is what ANY manager should be doing about their opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 first they move the GP to a sat in the football season; and now they want to do the same with Kent speedway. Just trying to save me money I guess! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 12 hours ago, Mike.Butler said: first they move the GP to a sat in the football season; and now they want to do the same with Kent speedway. Just trying to save me money I guess! With track closures increasing mike, we are all going to save some money, wether we like it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 On 2/15/2019 at 8:28 AM, cityrebel said: With track closures increasing mike, we are all going to save some money, wether we like it or not. Like Cityrebel, I am from London and seriously regret the fact that there is no longer any Speedway there. Nearest point now, I suppose, is Rye House ( hardly London !) and I consider it the DUTY of the current Speedway bosses to get the place back in action for our sport at the earliest opportunity. I was told that more than one promoter is/was interested but that the cost of paying off the previous promoter's debts, as demanded by the ( BSPA ? SCB ?) was prohibitive. I read in the SS that the previous owner had been made a bankrupt...why should a prospective new promoter have to pay off his debts ? To be fair, this was just hearsay and may not be true. Does anyone actually KNOW the facts ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) On 2/16/2019 at 10:26 PM, East End Fan said: Like Cityrebel, I am from London and seriously regret the fact that there is no longer any Speedway there. Nearest point now, I suppose, is Rye House ( hardly London !) and I consider it the DUTY of the current Speedway bosses to get the place back in action for our sport at the earliest opportunity. I was told that more than one promoter is/was interested but that the cost of paying off the previous promoter's debts, as demanded by the ( BSPA ? SCB ?) was prohibitive. I read in the SS that the previous owner had been made a bankrupt...why should a prospective new promoter have to pay off his debts ? To be fair, this was just hearsay and may not be true. Does anyone actually KNOW the facts ? Irrespective of the previous promoters debts, the cost of making Rye House stadium fit for purpose, will be the biggest stumbling block for anyone thinking of taking it on. Edited February 18, 2019 by cityrebel Spelling mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 12 hours ago, cityrebel said: Irrespective of the previous promoters debts, the cost of making Rye House stadium fit for purpose, will be the biggest stumbling block for anyone thinking of taking it on. Barring the removal of the ridiculous dirt mounds from the middle what else does actually need to be done at Rye House to make it fit for purpose? Its never going to be a NSS or Adrian Flux but the track is sound and the viewing areas accessible. With no major disrespect intended the likes of Stoke & Buxton but they have run for many years on far lesser facilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: Barring the removal of the ridiculous dirt mounds from the middle what else does actually need to be done at Rye House to make it fit for purpose? Its never going to be a NSS or Adrian Flux but the track is sound and the viewing areas accessible. With no major disrespect intended the likes of Stoke & Buxton but they have run for many years on far lesser facilities. If you had experienced Lakeside's end of seasons meetings at Rye, i would say plenty. The car park is a major hazzard with large potholes and no lighting. The stadium itself has insufficient spectator lights, barely enough to fill in your programme in some areas. Add this to the uneven ground you have to walk on. The toilets were disgusting last year and are in need of an upgrade. Some of the temporary stands have steep steps and could be difficult to negotiate for some of the older fans. I know a disabled supporter that won't go to Rye because of access difficulties. Now the track itself, apart from the hill on the centre green, the lighting on the bends are non existant and the temporary lights were removed at the end of the top flight era. The BSPA currently consider Rye as not fit for purpose and i have to agree with them. Lakeside never had a chance of running there this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 23 minutes ago, cityrebel said: If you had experienced Lakeside's end of seasons meetings at Rye, i would say plenty. The car park is a major hazzard with large potholes and no lighting. The stadium itself has insufficient spectator lights, barely enough to fill in your programme in some areas. Add this to the uneven ground you have to walk on. The toilets were disgusting last year and are in need of an upgrade. Some of the temporary stands have steep steps and could be difficult to negotiate for some of the older fans. I know a disabled supporter that won't go to Rye because of access difficulties. Now the track itself, apart from the hill on the centre green, the lighting on the bends are non existant and the temporary lights were removed at the end of the top flight era. The BSPA currently consider Rye as not fit for purpose and i have to agree with them. Lakeside never had a chance of running there this season. Certainly won't disagree about the craters in the Rye car park but they have been present since day dot. Lighting could be resolved by simply running on weekend days and negating the need for floodlights. The toilets do need an upgrade but that is a comment that could apply to almost every speedway venue. I am not saying the old place is perfect, far from it in fact but stating it is not fit for purpose seems hypocritical from the BSPA. I would still rather see a run down Rye House in operation than lose it forever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 51 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Certainly won't disagree about the craters in the Rye car park but they have been present since day dot. Lighting could be resolved by simply running on weekend days and negating the need for floodlights. The toilets do need an upgrade but that is a comment that could apply to almost every speedway venue. I am not saying the old place is perfect, far from it in fact but stating it is not fit for purpose seems hypocritical from the BSPA. I would still rather see a run down Rye House in operation than lose it forever. That's what happens when you try and take on the establishment. Usually there is only one winner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: Certainly won't disagree about the craters in the Rye car park but they have been present since day dot. Lighting could be resolved by simply running on weekend days and negating the need for floodlights. The toilets do need an upgrade but that is a comment that could apply to almost every speedway venue. I am not saying the old place is perfect, far from it in fact but stating it is not fit for purpose seems hypocritical from the BSPA. I would still rather see a run down Rye House in operation than lose it forever. What on earth has happened there ? I admit to not having visited Rye House since the days when my team, the Hammers, were in the same league as the Rockets. The toilets were very clean and tidy then and I could sit in comfort in the little grandstand with a really nice bar close by if I fancied a drink. Always liked it better than Arena simply because it was more comfortable for watching Speedway. Sounds as if someone has deliberately vandalised the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 hour ago, East End Fan said: What on earth has happened there ? I admit to not having visited Rye House since the days when my team, the Hammers, were in the same league as the Rockets. The toilets were very clean and tidy then and I could sit in comfort in the little grandstand with a really nice bar close by if I fancied a drink. Always liked it better than Arena simply because it was more comfortable for watching Speedway. Sounds as if someone has deliberately vandalised the place. Len sold BMR a turkey and they ran out of money, it's as simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawks 1975 Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 Len sold them a stadium that needed upgrading, true. My understanding is that all the electrics for example needed to be replaced. But did they need to replace all the fencing? Rip out all the red seats? Did they HAVE to replace the pits with a super size version? Rip out the long bar? Fine if the 'dealership' was immediately going to increase their revenue, but.... Are we saying that any business plan they had was scuppered by fixed race nights? The 'turkey' had provided speedway for years, to a certain standard. BMR seemingly had the best intentions, but got it horribly wrong..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 Any chance of getting back to Kent now plz slowly getting to tapes up. Zzzzz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 hours ago, hawks 1975 said: Len sold them a stadium that needed upgrading, true. My understanding is that all the electrics for example needed to be replaced. But did they need to replace all the fencing? Rip out all the red seats? Did they HAVE to replace the pits with a super size version? Rip out the long bar? Fine if the 'dealership' was immediately going to increase their revenue, but.... Are we saying that any business plan they had was scuppered by fixed race nights? The 'turkey' had provided speedway for years, to a certain standard. BMR seemingly had the best intentions, but got it horribly wrong..... Len was shrewd, he had a stadium that needed big investment and an ever shrinking fan base. Kent was on his doorstep with great facilities, it was a no brainer really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 11 hours ago, teaboy279 said: Any chance of getting back to Kent now plz slowly getting to tapes up. Zzzzz What was with the random numbers on the Kent bibs at the meet the riders? Kemp 9, Ledwith 13 etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted February 20, 2019 Report Share Posted February 20, 2019 55 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: What was with the random numbers on the Kent bibs at the meet the riders? Kemp 9, Ledwith 13 etc? Think it was so that no one knows the planned riding order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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