adonis Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 Just now, East End Fan said: Now there's a clue....ex-rider. At what level ? The view he has tends to make me think that he was a lower end rider trying to make his way and finding it difficult. Then the world would have seemed to be against him, hence the jaundiced view of Speedway life. I'd love to know the truth.. The truth is what you read on the original post , I have no intention of getting into a debate about what speedway is actually like behind the scenes ,with someone who readily admits his/her knowledge of speedway is what he/'she, sees and hears from the grandstand , I have been involved in speedway the other side of the fence for more than 30 years , If you don't agree with any of my post , thats tough because theres plenty who do .and who are far more knowledgable than you about what goes on behind the scenes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 Great to see Jordan at Kent yesterday, spannering for Drew and helping the lads. He is a cracking lad and an awesome rider, really hope he gets his head back in the game. But speedway is a sport where any doubts could lead to mistakes and getting yourself injured. So only Jordan will know when it's right to return. I personally hope he comes back this year and helps us win the National League medal he was robbed of last year with mildenhall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/24/2019 at 9:31 AM, adonis said: The truth is what you read on the original post , I have no intention of getting into a debate about what speedway is actually like behind the scenes ,with someone who readily admits his/her knowledge of speedway is what he/'she, sees and hears from the grandstand , I have been involved in speedway the other side of the fence for more than 30 years , If you don't agree with any of my post , thats tough because theres plenty who do .and who are far more knowledgable than you about what goes on behind the scenes I bow to your obvious superior knowledge. I had no idea that the sport was so spiteful. So when I see riders clearly enjoying each other's company before and after meetings it must be all a big "front" How sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 Just now, East End Fan said: I bow to your obvious superior knowledge. I had no idea that the sport was so spiteful. So when I see riders clearly enjoying each other's company before and after meetings it must be all a big "front" How sad. They smile in your face .all the time they wanna take your place ..... the backstabbers . speak to any speedway rider and you will hear what they think you want to hear , your'e less likely to hear the truth , than if you were talking to a politician !! . However speedway in Europe not Poland though ( and yes I have done a fair bit of that as well ) is the exact opposite . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 At NL level there are so many parents involved that it cannot be good for a rider but without them they wouldn’t be there! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, GWC said: At NL level there are so many parents involved that it cannot be good for a rider but without them they wouldn’t be there! another reason why some of these promising youngsters "Take a break" . They stumble into speedway from other motorcycle sports which are basicly amateur , MX ,grasstrack , trials , all weekend sport , initially supported by family ,but when that bubble bursts and it starts to impact on daddies work and the family budget , they decide to take a break , once they are outside the sport they realise what it actually takes to commit to speedway , and it's just too big a hurdle to return 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted August 27, 2019 Report Share Posted August 27, 2019 I would say that at Kent the majority of riders there have come through from junior racing so they know what it’s going to take to progress. Jake Mulford has, I believe come from grass track but you can see he is well organised and already riding lines a lot of more experienced riders at this level won’t. I’m also wary of comments made that it needs a certain amount of intelligence to become a top class rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted August 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 13 hours ago, GWC said: I would say that at Kent the majority of riders there have come through from junior racing so they know what it’s going to take to progress. Jake Mulford has, I believe come from grass track but you can see he is well organised and already riding lines a lot of more experienced riders at this level won’t. I’m also wary of comments made that it needs a certain amount of intelligence to become a top class rider. With the greatest of respect the vast majority of youth racing takes place at the weekends which is far easier to balance. There were obviously a lot of extra pre/post race laps completed by some like Rowe/Kemp/Ablitt etc but to say they all know what it takes is a bit far off. Gilkes trod water for a long time before really stepping up a level on a 500 machine, Spooner had terrible equipment until Kent set him up. Clouting has great bikes and crew but very little racing experience and Mulford whilst a natural talent is getting by on a wing and a prayer at the moment. Not taking away any achievements by any of these riders (and their families to get them here) but even the most prepared riders like Flint/Bickley/Atkins who have been raised ready for Speedway must breathe a sigh of relief when a season is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 15 hours ago, GWC said: I would say that at Kent the majority of riders there have come through from junior racing so they know what it’s going to take to progress. Jake Mulford has, I believe come from grass track but you can see he is well organised and already riding lines a lot of more experienced riders at this level won’t. I’m also wary of comments made that it needs a certain amount of intelligence to become a top class rider. I think it is quite clear that top international riders are very intelligent indeed. When you hear comments and conversations from riders like Tai Woffinden during TV interviews, it's obvious that there is an acute brain in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted August 28, 2019 Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 11:52 AM, adonis said: They smile in your face .all the time they wanna take your place ..... the backstabbers . speak to any speedway rider and you will hear what they think you want to hear , your'e less likely to hear the truth , than if you were talking to a politician !! . However speedway in Europe not Poland though ( and yes I have done a fair bit of that as well ) is the exact opposite . That's the same with most competitive sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 On 8/27/2019 at 12:31 PM, adonis said: another reason why some of these promising youngsters "Take a break" . They stumble into speedway from other motorcycle sports which are basicly amateur , MX ,grasstrack , trials , all weekend sport , initially supported by family ,but when that bubble bursts and it starts to impact on daddies work and the family budget , they decide to take a break , once they are outside the sport they realise what it actually takes to commit to speedway , and it's just too big a hurdle to return Is that what happened to you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, East End Fan said: Is that what happened to you ? Nope , My lad kept going far too long , putting up with all the crap and 2 faced people , until he was forced by family commitments to take a short break , within weeks and without any conversation between us I knew the penny had dropped , that there WAS life outside speedway and he would not be going back , It never cost me a bean , because he has a really well paid job , and I was self employed .so the time off didn't matter , he has an account of every penny he ever spent on speedway . believe me it would make your eyes water if you saw it , then again you would most likely think I made it up , like you did with my previous comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 Was Jordan Jenkins hit with a 28 day ban for withholding his services? As I have just been on your website to check news on Drew, I noticed Jordan has changed his mind & Kent applied to re-introduce him straight away. Will his ban now be changed to 14 days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper11 Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 3 hours ago, IronScorpion said: Was Jordan Jenkins hit with a 28 day ban for withholding his services? As I have just been on your website to check news on Drew, I noticed Jordan has changed his mind & Kent applied to re-introduce him straight away. Will his ban now be changed to 14 days? He has got a 28 day ban. Will be back in time for the play offs though. Hopefully that means we have Drew with no other commitments, Jenkins back, Spooner back & Ledwith back for the play offs. Hopefully!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 Len should fight for the ban to be 14 days only unless rules changed from 2 years back. Returning for same team means ban to be 14 days, in the interests of speedway, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 9 hours ago, flipper11 said: He has got a 28 day ban. Will be back in time for the play offs though. Hopefully that means we have Drew with no other commitments, Jenkins back, Spooner back & Ledwith back for the play offs. Hopefully!! Can Ledwith be reintroduced to the 1-7 (ie is Wallinger just signed in injury cover?)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper11 Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 5 hours ago, teaboy279 said: Can Ledwith be reintroduced to the 1-7 (ie is Wallinger just signed in injury cover?)? That was the way that i read it. Same as Spooner for Clouting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 hour ago, flipper11 said: That was the way that i read it. Same as Spooner for Clouting. Yeah both announced as injury replacements so can slot back in. A Kent with with a fit Ledwith & Spooner plus Jenkins in and Kemp not missing are arguably title favourites. Even Ablitt leaving has ended up working out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloom89 Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 On 8/30/2019 at 5:23 PM, IronScorpion said: Len should fight for the ban to be 14 days only unless rules changed from 2 years back. Returning for same team means ban to be 14 days, in the interests of speedway, though. It’s a bit of a joke that a young lad like Jenkins has been given a 28 day ban and Cook who was involved in unsavoury scenes has seemingly got away with it because mr chapman decided to appeal said ban because it would affect his sides chances of reaching the play offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 I have said this for a while now in that riders, when not getting paid, have to continue riding because of the threat of withholding their services & a 28 day ban. If riders are not paid they should be allowed a 7 day leave of absence with the club suffering with no facility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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