wtf Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 It wouldn't surprise me if their was some sort of deal in place whereby Paco cost Birmingham very little. The Costagna family may well be funding his latest British adventure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, uk_martin said: I wonder if Ipswich will be as generous with Michael Hartel? Do the 4 meetings he rode for them even qualify for becoming an asset? Wouldn't mind betting he's got a lot of improvement in him, and the Witches won't be able to take him into the Premiership with them this year, so maybe there's a rider that the Brummies could invest in? Hartel is an Ipswich asset. He became one before a wheel had been turned apparently Dont ask me how riders become “assets” these days, I’ve long given up trying to understand the criteria for becoming one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, wtf said: It wouldn't surprise me if their was some sort of deal in place whereby Paco cost Birmingham very little. The Costagna family may well be funding his latest British adventure. If we are slipping further into paid for rides then there really is little hope for the sport..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argos Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 That is a disgraceful signing by Birmingham, he comes in on an assessed average of four, he will never achieve that, when they could have used Dan Hume a young British rider who will improve, and served them well in the National league. I wonder how many meetings the Italian will miss for Italian championship, GP challenge. The last time I saw him at Sheffield he was dreadful No wonder speedway in this country is in such dire straits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Certainly an interesting signing. I'm going to be in the minority and say Paco will do quite well for Birmingham. He was poor the last time he rode in the PL mostly because he truly hated the Ipswich track (like most riders do in fairness). Before that, I seem to recall he had some solid scores for Sheffield. If he takes to the Birmingham track, and I think he will, he'll be a solid reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluenose Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Paco Castagna Sheffield 2015 8 matches 30 rides 25 points 8 bonus GSA 3.33 AVG 4.40 won 1 race out of 30 rides.. Don,t look that good !!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 We can't base his 'current' form on his performances 3 years ago ? surely he's improved since then ? It's not his ability, or lack of that's the issue....it's signing him at the expense of future British talent ! Over to the manager to explain? which he usually does quite well in fairness ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Osirian08 said: Oh dear, this is like the bad old days of signing Carpanese all over again.... Why? Just because he's Italian? Er, because ALL Italians are the same, right? Or maybe it's just like signing Julius Ceasar all over again? He was Italian too. At least, unlike a lot of other foreign imports into the Championship, after Brexit, when foreigners have to prove their worth to get work permits, Castagna can show that he IS a regular in the Italian international pair/team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argos Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 24 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: We can't base his 'current' form on his performances 3 years ago ? surely he's improved since then ? It's not his ability, or lack of that's the issue....it's signing him at the expense of future British talent ! Over to the manager to explain? which he usually does quite well in fairness ? Why do you think he hasn’t ridden over here for the last 3 years ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenMiller Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, uk_martin said: Why? Just because he's Italian? Er, because ALL Italians are the same, right? Or maybe it's just like signing Julius Ceasar all over again? He was Italian too. At least, unlike a lot of other foreign imports into the Championship, after Brexit, when foreigners have to prove their worth to get work permits, Castagna can show that he IS a regular in the Italian international pair/team. I never insinuated ALL Italians were the same, please don't put words into my mouth just to try & sound like a smart ass Like previous posters. I'm unconvinced that parachuting in yet another foreign import over developing home grown talent is the right path to take. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 24 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: We can't base his 'current' form on his performances 3 years ago ? surely he's improved since then ? It's not his ability, or lack of that's the issue....it's signing him at the expense of future British talent ! Over to the manager to explain? which he usually does quite well in fairness ? Welcome to the difference between the National League and the Championship. Unlike the National League, the Championship isn't run as a Social Service. Unless the Brummies can sign someone up as an asset, that rider will cost loan fees, which is money that the Brummies have to be very careful about. As I said before, teams (like Ipswich as an example) who could sign assets for fun whilst the Brummies were in the "assets-verboten" NL, can subsidise their business with the income from loan fees. A luxury that the Brummies don't have. YET! It'll take many, many years for the Brummies to build up a viable asset base, and until then, if the choice has to be between a foreigner who might get 4 or 5 points and not cost a loan fee, and a Brit who might get 4 or 5 points, get damaged in the process and cost several thousands in loan fees, have a guess which the business decision will favour? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argos Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 All this nonsense about him becoming an asset, A asset is only any good if it’s worth anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 7 hours ago, Marksman said: Ah Mattia Carpanese, there's a blast from the Comets past, If I remember rightly he even scored a paid maximum once. 6 times Italian champion, 5/6 GP appearences, i'd say unfortunately for Brummies fans Carpanese was better than Castagna! and i think that max came AWAY @ stoke .if i remember correctly ! ! ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 You think riders sign as a asset for free no chance they will get a hefty signing on fee probably even more than the loan fee for a rider 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, mac101 said: You think riders sign as a asset for free no chance they will get a hefty signing on fee probably even more than the loan fee for a rider Possibly so, but with the long term in view, do you buy or do you rent forever? Which is the cheaper option in the long term? Those who have to put their money with their mouths are, have decided to buy. Personally, a long term view being taken here is reassuring for the general future of speedway in Birmingham. Maybe you're not as interested in that as a Brummies fan would be, I dunno. But how about we make judgements on Castagnas performances 4 months after the start of the season, rather than 4 months before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitten2502 Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Whether we agree or not with the signing of Paco over Danyon (I also would've loved to see Danyon back) , surely we have to trust the decisions made by our promotion. They will have done their homework surely - they are hardly going to jeopardise their investment are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, kitten2502 said: Whether we agree or not with the signing of Paco over Danyon (I also would've loved to see Danyon back) , surely we have to trust the decisions made by our promotion. They will have done their homework surely - they are hardly going to jeopardise their investment are they? It's a very strange decision... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitten2502 Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, BluPanther said: It's a very strange decision... That's as maybe, but they will live or die by it...……….at the end of it all it's their money & project at risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Strange to sign Castagna over Hume.. They say that things happen for a reason... And i hope the reason is for bigger and better things for Hume. I hope someone else picks him up and when he goes back to Birmingham it bites the Brummies on the bum! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUFC_Brummie Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 I don't mind not signing Hume, but having missed out on Flint and now signed Castagna to ride at reserve, and paying more for the privilege of him being a fairly worthless asset in all likelihood, I'm a little underwhelmed. Like the Morris signing but very meh about the other two at this stage. Good last 4 though will change that viewpoint around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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