Byker Biker Posted January 1, 2019 Report Share Posted January 1, 2019 On 12/31/2018 at 9:11 AM, Woz01 said: I thought there was new legislation coming in where pre existing facilities near to new developments were exempt from noise issues? It's embedded in a policy called the Planning Framework which is a Government Policy issuing guidelines to local Planning Committees, the next one comes into play late January 2019 and is for all new planning applications. My understanding is that applications made and granted prior to this will be under the previous guidelines issued in 2012 so the new guidelines cannot be used retrospectively - it's a bit like the SCB Regulations they'll make their mind up at the time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummies_Ste Posted January 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 BIRMINGHAM have appointed Terry Chrabaszcz as their new track curator for the 2019 season.He takes over from the outgoing duo of John Priest and Arthur Browning who will both be enjoying retirement.Chrabaszcz already has experience of working on the Perry Barr circuit having been a member of the track team during the Brummies’ previous senior league racing days.Co-owner David Mason said: “First and foremost we would like to wish John and Arthur all the best for the future.“They’ve spent many, many hours over the past few years ensuring Birmingham have had a quality racing surface on racenights; they’ve done a great job and we hope they come and visit us at points throughout the season.“Once we knew they wouldn’t be with us for the 2019 season we wanted to get someone with equal amounts of, if not more, experience than them.“Terry ticks all the boxes; he’s worked on the Perry Barr track before, he’s local which is a big bonus, and he’s got so much knowledge and expertise when it comes to track preparation.“He’s worked on numerous tracks up and down the country over the years and the way he turned Stoke around last season was unbelievable from what I’m told.“Obviously we’re moving up into the Championship this year and this calibre of rider prefer a totally different surface to the National League boys.“So we’re going to be putting some more shale down before the start of the new season and there’ll be plenty more dirt out there if the boys want it.“With the team of battlers and entertainers we’ve got plus the fact we’re going to have a new approach to track preparation, I really do believe we’re in for some breathtaking racing and some fantastic meetings this year.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted January 11, 2019 Report Share Posted January 11, 2019 Not only do any news items on the BSPA website have the disclaimer but it is not possible to get to the club website as Eastbourne and Birmingham don't exist according to the list of teams in the league. If I was of a suspicious nature I would be thinking that someone wanted to sabotage their entries and if I was in charge at either club I would tell the BSPA that either the links are restored or I would be moving back to the National League which might ruffle a few feathers that need ruffling big time. The fact that both teams who moved from Championship to Premiership appeared immediately makes you wonder how they got accepted so quickly! Does the BSPA want to make Speedway grow or are they determined to ruin the sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted January 11, 2019 Report Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Chris116 said: Not only do any news items on the BSPA website have the disclaimer but it is not possible to get to the club website as Eastbourne and Birmingham don't exist according to the list of teams in the league. If I was of a suspicious nature I would be thinking that someone wanted to sabotage their entries and if I was in charge at either club I would tell the BSPA that either the links are restored or I would be moving back to the National League which might ruffle a few feathers that need ruffling big time. The fact that both teams who moved from Championship to Premiership appeared immediately makes you wonder how they got accepted so quickly! Does the BSPA want to make Speedway grow or are they determined to ruin the sport? From the BSPA website "NOTE: New teams entering the Championship in the 2019 season will be added to this list when they have completed the official entry criteria and logged it with the BSPA Head Office." At the moment they don`t exist - they will do when they have done what is required of them as per the above statement(sorry about the red ink) Edited January 11, 2019 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted January 11, 2019 Report Share Posted January 11, 2019 31 minutes ago, racers and royals said: From the BSPA website "NOTE: New teams entering the Championship in the 2019 season will be added to this list when they have completed the official entry criteria and logged it with the BSPA Head Office." At the moment they don`t exist - they will do when they have done what is required of them as per the above statement(sorry about the red ink) Don't worry about the red ink! I can understand the BSPA having a note against the two teams saying they have not completed the entry requirements but removing all links to both clubs seems rather harsh. How come Peterborough and Ipswich are not having to jump through hoops? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted January 11, 2019 Report Share Posted January 11, 2019 15 minutes ago, Chris116 said: Don't worry about the red ink! I can understand the BSPA having a note against the two teams saying they have not completed the entry requirements but removing all links to both clubs seems rather harsh. How come Peterborough and Ipswich are not having to jump through hoops? I would have thought that Buster has ensured everything needed for the change from Championship to Premiership- increase of bond perhaps ? has been completed for his new acquisitions. From National league to Championship will almost certainly have needed an increase in the bond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 11, 2019 Report Share Posted January 11, 2019 53 minutes ago, racers and royals said: I would have thought that Buster has ensured everything needed for the change from Championship to Premiership- increase of bond perhaps ? has been completed for his new acquisitions. From National league to Championship will almost certainly have needed an increase in the bond. And possibly acquire some assets or lodge more money to cover the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted January 11, 2019 Report Share Posted January 11, 2019 I fully accept that teams have to meet the requirements of the league but removing all mention of the club Websites strikes me as counter productive to promoting the sport. I do not have a problem with some heading saying that the team have not yet completed all the formalities of moving up from the National league. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 New to the Board and a lifelong brummies supporter. I think that the explanation is pretty simple in the case of the Brummies and similar new entrants Eastbourne Eagles. The National League has different governance and is deemed "non professional in status) as compared to Premier and Championship whose governance is 100% BSPA controlled. So Teams moving CL to PL are effectively "rubber stamped" as Bond nor retained rider list will change in the move up. Birmingham have a Promotion (Masons) that only came in at start of 2018 season, never Promoted in BSPA controlled PL or CL and would therefore have to be fully ratified as promoters and also prove Business Plan and agree Bond issues etc. Eastbourne have a new Management Team after death of Bob Dugard and reports of martin and connor Dugard stepping aside after 4 years of promoting in National League. So, safe to assume they too will have to go through same process as Birmingham, although they may have a "retained list" from there time in professional leagues under Dugard banner?? I've looked at Birmingham and Eastbourne Press Releases closely as it was initially a concern to see Brummies "vanish". I did call a friend who knows workings of BSPA very well and he says there is nothing out of the ordinary. The BSPA will have asked both Clubs to fill in paperwork and to provide plans and projections, will have required both Promotions to be interviewed and would not have reported Rider Signings (or indeed allowed rider signing to be reported) if the process wasn't both ongoing and satisfactory. A quick look at Companies House suggests Birmingham has long since been properly Registered and the new Eastbourne Management team announced just before Christmas by the BSPA and their Club website was Registered with Companies House shortly afterwards. It seems grossly unfair on both Clubs as the Riders are in A-Z Listings on BSPA Official website so I can only think that it is the process that is delaying things and not anything conspiritorial. Finally, also seems highly unlikely either side could return to National League when most 2018 Team members of both have been signed up elsewhere or moved up, in case of Birmingham top 4 had high averages and in case of Eastbourne top 5 have been snapped up already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitten2502 Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 For those really interested in the link - http://www.birmingham-speedway.com/news.php?cat.1 - there are ways and means of finding it without the BSPA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 18 hours ago, racers and royals said: From the BSPA website "NOTE: New teams entering the Championship in the 2019 season will be added to this list when they have completed the official entry criteria and logged it with the BSPA Head Office." At the moment they don`t exist - they will do when they have done what is required of them as per the above statement(sorry about the red ink) The Birmingham Speedway announcement http://www.speedwaygb.co.uk/news.php?extend.35871 - published on the BSPA web site, states that "subject to the necessary paperwork being completed by the British Speedway Promoters Association" - A clear onus therefore on the BSPA to tidy up loose ends. And yet on another BSPA web site page - http://www.speedwaygb.co.uk/championshipannouncements19 - we get the quote that R&R states above which puts the onus on Birmingham and Eastbourne to sort their lives out. A classic case of "it's not us, it's them". Bearing in mind that the Birmingham announcement was on 3rd December, and Eastbourne's was well before that, how much longer do the sports blessed administrators need to sort all this out? One would assume that until this is all done, there won't be any fixtures published, and if it all goes sour, then it would be too late now for Birmingham and Eastbourne to reconsider National League speedway, so that will be 14 riders left in the lurch, not to mention all the fans of the two teams concerned. What a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, uk_martin said: The Birmingham Speedway announcement http://www.speedwaygb.co.uk/news.php?extend.35871 - published on the BSPA web site, states that "subject to the necessary paperwork being completed by the British Speedway Promoters Association" - A clear onus therefore on the BSPA to tidy up loose ends. And yet on another BSPA web site page - http://www.speedwaygb.co.uk/championshipannouncements19 - we get the quote that R&R states above which puts the onus on Birmingham and Eastbourne to sort their lives out. A classic case of "it's not us, it's them". Bearing in mind that the Birmingham announcement was on 3rd December, and Eastbourne's was well before that, how much longer do the sports blessed administrators need to sort all this out? One would assume that until this is all done, there won't be any fixtures published, and if it all goes sour, then it would be too late now for Birmingham and Eastbourne to reconsider National League speedway, so that will be 14 riders left in the lurch, not to mention all the fans of the two teams concerned. What a mess. The Birmingham Speedway announcement you quote quite clearly states that it is issued by Birmingham and NOT the BSPA therefore we can assume it`s Birmingham`s take on what was needed to be done for their entry to be ratified. One could argue that the BSPA shouldn`t have allowed the wording if there is more to it than just paperwork. I do agree it`s all a bit messy and does require clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, racers and royals said: The Birmingham Speedway announcement you quote quite clearly states that it is issued by Birmingham and NOT the BSPA therefore we can assume it`s Birmingham`s take on what was needed to be done for their entry to be ratified. One could argue that the BSPA shouldn`t have allowed the wording if there is more to it than just paperwork. I do agree it`s all a bit messy and does require clarification. Absolutely correct. The BSPA published it on their site so they assume responsibility for what appears on it. If they didn't like the wording, they should have insisted on an edit to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, kitten2502 said: For those really interested in the link - http://www.birmingham-speedway.com/news.php?cat.1 - there are ways and means of finding it without the BSPA! I agree that those in the know can find the website of any club very easily without going through the BSPA website. The problem is that someone who wants to find out about the sport and thinks there may be a team near them in either Eastbourne or Birmingham could look at the list of teams in each league on the BSPA website and conclude that the club had closed down. Having done that they could then meet up with friends at a pub and mention that they had been thinking of going to a Speedway meeting after seeing how good it was on TV but sadly the local track has closed and we now have even more people who think the sport is finished. The BSPA website should in my opinion have both Eastbourne and Birmingham links with a note that they are planning to move up from the National league to the Championship but that the move cannot be confirmed until all the paperwork is finished. That way the BSPA are promoting the sport not making potential new fans think that clubs have closed. Yes, I know if you check the stories you would find the details but the potential new fan is unlikely to dig very deep if it appears the track they might visit has closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 I totally agree, would it not be better to have the Logo of the Club(s) with all the others and the "disclaimer" next to it.?? "subject to final approval by BSPA" I read somewhere before Christmas referring to Brummies that the "Bond" had to be negotiated and paid before 1 March 2019, it may be that is the case for Brummies (and Eagles), and seems totally unfair to those Clubs if they have this "limbo" until 1 March; they are treated in this way. Is it BSPA though or BSPA Press Office which is separate isn't it? I saw an announcement from Eastbourne (on BSPA website) of 2 big new Sponsors, good luck to them, but if i was considering sponsoring Birmingham (or Eastbourne) right now and saw that wording I would be waiting, again, not fair to Brummies if this is the case and delay is with BSPA. I have read in Speedway Star about Workington and problems there, so why are they not taken off the page until that is sorted??, feels one rule for the old and another for the new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesno1 Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 With regards to the disclaimer, this was Ian Jordan's (Eastbourne's new co-promoter) reply to somebody questioning it on Facebook: "The BSPA have strict entry forms and procedures which have to be completed to their timescales and they include interviews and also Fixture planning and Bond payments. This is an ongoing process that ourselves and Birmingham are going through at the moment and once all is completed ratification will be confirmed. We have to work to the prescribed agenda though and thats what both the new Clubs are currently in the process of doing." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 8 hours ago, Chris116 said: ...The problem is that someone who wants to find out about the sport and thinks there may be a team near them in either Eastbourne or Birmingham... If someone was really looking, then entering the words "speedway" & "Birmingham" into Google will find you the Birmingham Speedway web site at the top of their search results and it would be far quicker than trawling the BSPA site for links. It's the way people do it these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedway fan Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 Revised Championship list of teams on BSPA site today with Workington out and Birmingham + Eastbourne included Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy bill Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 On 12/29/2018 at 8:46 PM, uk_martin said: To be honest, I don't think that it's an issue that's really hit the public imagination. My own guess is that most people will welcome the demolition and redevelopment of what is in all honesty an eyesore, and although the athletes village / housing scheme has received planning approval, other connected matters are still in the process of getting approved. There are small groups of residents who have objections to this thing or that...e.g. the domolition of the fly-over that separates the stadium from the One Stop Shopping Centre, and the introduction of extra bus lanes, but there's a general feeling that no matter how much people jump up and down about their little gripes, this thing is going ahead, so let's make the best of it. There is a pubished Compulsary Purchase Order Zone, and the Stadium is not part of it. Full details can be seen here - https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/info/20054/planning_strategies_and_policies/1838/perry_barr_commonwealth_games_athletes_village_and_wider_regeneration_compulsory_purchase_order I'm aware of the Deed of Covenant that "protects" the sporting purposes of the land that the stadium sits on, but just recently, a doctors surgery has been converted to an Islamic Academy, another independent "faith school" has been built on the old IMI factory site, and there is a planning application in the system for Perry Barr Police Station to be demolished and a mosque built in its place. There are even rumours of the Seventh Trap pub being demolished and a mosque being there too. Join the dots to see which way this is panning out into the future. Islamic faith school that should not be allowed very racist .And yet another mosque dont think they need that in Birmingham keep the speedway its for the british people to enjoy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, speedy bill said: Islamic faith school that should not be allowed very racist As you quoted me, please show where in my quote I said that the faith school "should not be allowed"? Then please explain why a matter of fact report on what's going on is "very racist"? As for the rest of the trip you wrote, well that's not worth repeating. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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