Halifaxtiger Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 17 minutes ago, TurnTwo said: After what Jolly and his wife pit on Facebook about the bspa he shouldn’t be allowed to step into speedway stadiums let alone run them If that were the case for everyone, the stadiums would be empty. This forum's main occupation - often, most reasonably - is BSPA bashing. Given the ludicrous points limit that has almost certainly been forced on NL promotions against their will - Mark Phillips has made it clear that they wanted an increase in the limit, not a reduction - I suspect that many in charge of tracks at that level and their supporters will agree with some - if not most - of what Kevin Jolly said. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 Anyone that says “British speedway is “sh*t” its run by “what a load of tw*ts” and that “we are so glad to be out of it” yeah brilliant advertisement for our sport. Last month he was glad to be out. Now he’s ready to be back in because it doesn’t cost him a penny to have a toy train set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adz_mft Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 minute ago, TurnTwo said: Anyone that says “British speedway is “sh*t” its run by “what a load of tw*ts” and that “we are so glad to be out of it” yeah brilliant advertisement for our sport. Last month he was glad to be out. Now he’s ready to be back in because it doesn’t cost him a penny to have a toy train set. He is right though. They've completely cocked up the NL. Wish they'd realise lowering the limit simply doesn't work. They did this a couple of years ago and you end up with riders on inflated averages. The limit will now need to be raised again next year to compensate this. Really can't see the benefit of lowering it. The sport is on its arse right now. Lowering the limit forces out the better standard of riders,which as a fan I want to see at this level. You're now left with riders who have been in the league for years,averaging the same every year instead of the likes of Kemp and Smith for example who are the future. We are now presented with a poorer product. The BSPA don't do themselves any favour with regards to "advertising" with crap decisions like this 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 Strictly speaking that isn’t all true. Riders like Kemp & Smith could well miss out on a team place - yes. The fact that drew will be in at Ipswich once he does 4 home and 4 away at Sheffield’s and has an average over 4.5 means he will have a team in both leagues because in fairness what will Drew gain out of riding in the national league next year anyway realistically other than turning up and taking home £400 a meeting for scoring 13+ purely from making good gates. Smith is never going to be a world beater and only has his high average due to his form round belle vue his away form is 2.88 points lower compared to people on or around his average such as Brennan, 1.73 points lower Thomas 1.48 lower and Flint 2.16 lower (and he spent most the season at reserve too). I do not agree entirely with the new points limit but I must admit the bspa have done a few good things: - new two pointers to make there a continuity within the rules between leagues. It will push the riders like spooner and brooks into the main body to give them that next step, it means there is not so much pressure on the newbies to try and score 3 points a meeting minimum to equal their worth. And it will push riders like campos, Hopwood and Coles (if they have teams out of the league and Into the league above.) Realisitcally this league has become to professional it needs to find the happy medium between when it was conference league and the last couple of years. And it will be just as successful The championship had to be watered down so that there was a divide between the premiership and championship rightly so there hast to be a gap between NL and championship otherwise the championship promoters can’t sell their product at a high admission price because the national league offers the same. Yes it will inflate everyone’s averages but it will also make the league fairer in the view that even stoke have put together a very strong team so far and they were scraping for bottom end come last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) Reducing standards will have a knock on effect in reducing crowd numbers...Is there one single person with any common sense on the BSPA ?? Edited December 9, 2018 by waco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adz_mft Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 I was just using Kemp/Smith as examples.There was 23 riders on over an 8 average last year.These I class as the better standard of riders.The riders I want to see. Not riders on a 5 who have been about for years who aren't going to go anywhere. As for what Kemp would gain from riding NL. He's 16 years old and has had 1 season riding in a league. I suspect any experience racing in a league will do him the power of good 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 2 hours ago, TurnTwo said: Strictly speaking that isn’t all true. Riders like Kemp & Smith could well miss out on a team place - yes. The fact that drew will be in at Ipswich once he does 4 home and 4 away at Sheffield’s and has an average over 4.5 means he will have a team in both leagues because in fairness what will Drew gain out of riding in the national league next year anyway realistically other than turning up and taking home £400 a meeting for scoring 13+ purely from making good gates. Smith is never going to be a world beater and only has his high average due to his form round belle vue his away form is 2.88 points lower compared to people on or around his average such as Brennan, 1.73 points lower Thomas 1.48 lower and Flint 2.16 lower (and he spent most the season at reserve too). I do not agree entirely with the new points limit but I must admit the bspa have done a few good things: - new two pointers to make there a continuity within the rules between leagues. It will push the riders like spooner and brooks into the main body to give them that next step, it means there is not so much pressure on the newbies to try and score 3 points a meeting minimum to equal their worth. And it will push riders like campos, Hopwood and Coles (if they have teams out of the league and Into the league above.) Realisitcally this league has become to professional it needs to find the happy medium between when it was conference league and the last couple of years. And it will be just as successful The championship had to be watered down so that there was a divide between the premiership and championship rightly so there hast to be a gap between NL and championship otherwise the championship promoters can’t sell their product at a high admission price because the national league offers the same. Yes it will inflate everyone’s averages but it will also make the league fairer in the view that even stoke have put together a very strong team so far and they were scraping for bottom end come last season. I think the gap from NL to 3nd tier has proved too big for many in recent years, so if anythingvthe NL needed strengthening to allow top prospects to get up to 2nd tier. The only league that needed altering was the 2nd tier, it was too close to top tier and too far ahead of the third tier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 All this is fine, if the reduction in quality is reflected in the admission price. If it's not, crowds will continue to fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adz_mft Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 41 minutes ago, cityrebel said: All this is fine, if the reduction in quality is reflected in the admission price. If it's not, crowds will continue to fall. I'm 99% sure admission at any club will not change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 hour ago, adz_mft said: I'm 99% sure admission at any club will not change. Only a year ago three of my local clubs were in the NL, now that number is down to one. With the product on offer, i can't say I'm too disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyd Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 9 hours ago, TurnTwo said: Anyone that says “British speedway is “sh*t” its run by “what a load of tw*ts” and that “we are so glad to be out of it” yeah brilliant advertisement for our sport. Last month he was glad to be out. Now he’s ready to be back in because it doesn’t cost him a penny to have a toy train set. I think that is a valid quote he has made AND what many many supporters have been saying on various speedway forums and pages for years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted December 9, 2018 Report Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 hour ago, tonyd said: I think that is a valid quote he has made AND what many many supporters have been saying on various speedway forums and pages for years. As I recall it wasn’t his quote. Hope they are as ‘glad to be back in it’. The positive is Mildenhall are still running. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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