Sings4Speedway Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, WalterPlinge said: That doesn't seem legal. Sheldon Davies only averaged 1.86 for Birmingham last year, so should come in on a minimum of 2.00 But rule 19.7.1.1 says " A Team’s Declaration (initial and re-declared) is 36.00 with a minimum MA of 2.00. A maximum of two 2.00 riders are permitted per team." Tom Spencer and Harry McGurk both have 2.00 averages, so they can't have another 2.00 Wasn't this the reason they signed Whitmore in the first place? Because they had to find someone who was above 2.00 and below the limit, and his average just happened to fit? Not sure of the numbers but unattached riders also gain averages after 4 meetings have been completed so i suspect Sheldon might have sneaked it over 2.00 and be allowed to sign up? Hopefully that is the case and not that Cradley have dropped a second clanger (the first being including Whitmore in the first place). Fair play to Davies who put the miles in to put himself in the window and has to be an improvement on Whitmore who has been dreadful yet again this year. Edited June 6, 2019 by Sings4Speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterPlinge Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said: Not sure of the numbers but unattached riders also gain averages after 4 meetings have been completed so i suspect Sheldon might have sneaked it over 2.00 and be allowed to sign up? Hopefully that is the case and not that Cradley have dropped a second clanger (the first being including Whitmore in the first place). Fair play to Davies who put the miles in to put himself in the window and has to be an improvement on Whitmore who has been dreadful yet again this year. He's only ridden in one NL meeting this year. For Plymouth at Belle Vue where he scored 2+2 from 4 rides (a 2.00 average from 1 meeting) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 39 minutes ago, WalterPlinge said: He's only ridden in one NL meeting this year. For Plymouth at Belle Vue where he scored 2+2 from 4 rides (a 2.00 average from 1 meeting) Spot on there. Darned if i know maybe the rules have been thrown out the window and the National Trophy outings have been counted also as he got a couple of reasonable scores against Mildenhall in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 3 hours ago, WalterPlinge said: That doesn't seem legal. Sheldon Davies only averaged 1.86 for Birmingham last year, so should come in on a minimum of 2.00 But rule 19.7.1.1 says " A Team’s Declaration (initial and re-declared) is 36.00 with a minimum MA of 2.00. A maximum of two 2.00 riders are permitted per team." Tom Spencer and Harry McGurk both have 2.00 averages, so they can't have another 2.00 Wasn't this the reason they signed Whitmore in the first place? Because they had to find someone who was above 2.00 and below the limit, and his average just happened to fit? I have to agree. Davies didn’t hit over 2.00 last season to get a ‘real’ average and Cradley already have x2 2.00 men but the rules change so easily these days, there’s no point in them existing in the first place! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_t Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 22 hours ago, Islander15 said: I have to agree. Davies didn’t hit over 2.00 last season to get a ‘real’ average and Cradley already have x2 2.00 men but the rules change so easily these days, there’s no point in them existing in the first place! His average is now 2.59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterPlinge Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, martin_t said: His average is now 2.59 What makes you think that? It seems a random figure to pluck from nowhere. Last season he did 10 matches, had 49 rides, and scored 20+2 points for an average of 1.63 (minimum 2.00) This season he's done 1 match, 4 rides, and scored 2+2 (an average of 2.00 from 1 match - but of course he needs 4 matches to gain an average, so still on 2.00). His average can only be 2.00. Anything else is just someone pulling a number from their backside. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 Even if his Nat Trophy scores have been included (which is the only way i can see this remotely making sense) why haven't the averages for every other rider who competed in that competition been calculated? Im please the lad has got team place but not if its by breaking the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 I asked the league co coordinator about this, and a rule change in the winter meant that any unattatched rider gained an average after any 4 competitive fixtures, to prevent riders spending a season riding as an unattatched rider for every club ala spooner 2017. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, teaboy279 said: I asked the league co coordinator about this, and a rule change in the winter meant that any unattatched rider gained an average after any 4 competitive fixtures, to prevent riders spending a season riding as an unattatched rider for every club ala spooner 2017. All that does is once an unattached rider has 4 meetings and inevitably gets a 2.something average, it stops then being able to ride as an unattached rider! But generally aren’t considered good enough for a full-time place! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 Same with the change to 2.0 riders, meant the Couzins, O Keefes etc left out in the cold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterPlinge Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, teaboy279 said: I asked the league co coordinator about this, and a rule change in the winter meant that any unattatched rider gained an average after any 4 competitive fixtures, to prevent riders spending a season riding as an unattatched rider for every club ala spooner 2017. It makes sense that unattached riders get an average after 4 league meetings, regardless of club, to stop them doing a Spooner (and others) by riding odd matches for every team. BUT it has to be official matches (i.e. League only). It's ludicrous to include NT or KOC just for unattached riders. They may very well end up being frozen out before they've even got as far as racing ONE league match, let alone four! With that terrible excuse of a bungled KOC draw, and now this, the new co-ordinator isn't exactly covering himself in glory. Edited June 7, 2019 by WalterPlinge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_t Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 4 hours ago, WalterPlinge said: What makes you think that? It seems a random figure to pluck from nowhere. Last season he did 10 matches, had 49 rides, and scored 20+2 points for an average of 1.63 (minimum 2.00) This season he's done 1 match, 4 rides, and scored 2+2 (an average of 2.00 from 1 match - but of course he needs 4 matches to gain an average, so still on 2.00). His average can only be 2.00. Anything else is just someone pulling a number from their backside. Will Pottinger gave that figure on the Cradley Forum...does that answer your question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterPlinge Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, martin_t said: Will Pottinger gave that figure on the Cradley Forum...does that answer your question? It answers where you got the figure from, thanks. And we're now slowly piecing together where the BSPA got the figure from. They seem to have made up an average using matches that don't count in the averages! Thankfully it's worked out OK for Sheldon. If he hadn't got a place at Cradley he could have been practically frozen out of riding NL due to the craziness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 18 hours ago, WalterPlinge said: It makes sense that unattached riders get an average after 4 league meetings, regardless of club, to stop them doing a Spooner (and others) by riding odd matches for every team. BUT it has to be official matches (i.e. League only). It's ludicrous to include NT or KOC just for unattached riders. They may very well end up being frozen out before they've even got as far as racing ONE league match, let alone four! With that terrible excuse of a bungled KOC draw, and now this, the new co-ordinator isn't exactly covering himself in glory. Seriously what did you expect , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 On 6/7/2019 at 4:04 PM, Islander15 said: All that does is once an unattached rider has 4 meetings and inevitably gets a 2.something average, it stops then being able to ride as an unattached rider! But generally aren’t considered good enough for a full-time place! Bang on. You will see unattached riders towards the end of the season are very hard to come by (if they have any sense). Not unusual for a rider to score 2 points from 3 rides with a little fortune, do that 4 times and presto and average of 2.67 and nicely frozen out. It was a crazy idea in the winter and now that the holes in the barely considered idea are becoming apparent its an even crazier idea now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnleft Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 Sorry been told by a person with good connections, no Heathens in 2020 Management lost interest apparently 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted August 3, 2019 Report Share Posted August 3, 2019 Sad if so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete cc Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 Not surprised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 On 8/4/2019 at 9:51 AM, pete cc said: Not surprised Me neither! After the success when re-entering the league drying up, crowds have dwindled & now the promoters are not making the money like they were before with their success. Not finding their own piece of land to build their own track would have cost them money but was it really going to happen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 The silence is deafening on the cradley front .Have all the supporters given up on there team ? No pre meeting thread or post meeting comments.wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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