Ray Stadia Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, TonyE said: No one seems to know the answer unfortunately. Plenty of 'internet warriors' come up with suggestions but it isn't their money at risk. I certainly do not know the solution - Lakeside had Mark sexton as a community officer and I know he specifically tried to get the younger element interested in the sport (school liaison etc) . The one time Arena Essex as then was, offered free entry (in a meeting against Belle Vue and sponsored by a company), it certainly produced a good crowd. There were certainly first timers there but whether or not they were hooked is another issue. We are all 'internet warriors' mate, that's what a forum is. Exchanging views, opinions, counter opinions, suggestions, personal anecdotes, testimonies etc etc! Edited December 1, 2018 by Ray Stadia 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 14 minutes ago, Ray Stadia said: We are all 'internet warriors' mate, that's what a forum is. Exchanging views, opinions, counter opinions, suggestions, personal anecdotes, testimonies etc etc! Totally agree, it's all about opinions. As a sport, speedway has so many flaws, so there is always plenty to talk about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted December 2, 2018 Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 Totally agree - we are all 'internet warrior's and I have no issues with opinions and suggestions. The point I was trying to make was to highlight the fact that it is the promotion that takes the financial risk on new initiatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jonny the spud Posted December 2, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 5 hours ago, TonyE said: Totally agree - we are all 'internet warrior's and I have no issues with opinions and suggestions. The point I was trying to make was to highlight the fact that it is the promotion that takes the financial risk on new initiatives. With rumours of unpaid riders that go through speedway, I’d say it’s the riders who take financial risks too. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted December 2, 2018 Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 5 hours ago, TonyE said: Totally agree - we are all 'internet warrior's and I have no issues with opinions and suggestions. The point I was trying to make was to highlight the fact that it is the promotion that takes the financial risk on new initiatives. With rumours of unpaid riders that go through speedway, I’d say it’s the riders who take financial risks too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 3, 2018 Report Share Posted December 3, 2018 21 hours ago, Jonny the spud said: With rumours of unpaid riders that go through speedway, I’d say it’s the riders who take financial risks too. They all seem to be able to keep on riding though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted December 3, 2018 Report Share Posted December 3, 2018 40 minutes ago, Fromafar said: They all seem to be able to keep on riding though. Does that mean that it is more of a myth that riders are owed money or that riders have a big enough 'war chest' to fund themselves going forward, when not being paid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 3, 2018 Report Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Ray Stadia said: Does that mean that it is more of a myth that riders are owed money or that riders have a big enough 'war chest' to fund themselves going forward, when not being paid? The latter for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 On 12/3/2018 at 12:45 PM, Fromafar said: They all seem to be able to keep on riding though. That is because they face a 28 day ban if they decide not to ride. The promotion should be held accountable & if riders are not being paid then they should have the right, backed by the SCB/BSPA to miss meetings until wages are paid up. the team & promotion suffers with using NL riders. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, IronScorpion said: That is because they face a 28 day ban if they decide not to ride. The promotion should be held accountable & if riders are not being paid then they should have the right, backed by the SCB/BSPA to miss meetings until wages are paid up. the team & promotion suffers with using NL riders. Promotions are held accountable, if a rider complains to the BSPA about unpaid wages the BSPA sets a deadline for the payments to be met and if that doesn't happen their licence is pulled effectively shutting them down, its a last resort however, it has happened in the past. (no names no pack drill). I know personally of three sides who delayed (or had problems with) payments and came mightily close to the ultimate sanction being applied just saving themselves by finding the funds to pay the riders at the eleventh hour so to speak. Regards THJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 Pretty sure The captains have to sign the meeting sheet to say that every rider is paid up to date and are happy to ride 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 24 minutes ago, mac101 said: Pretty sure The captains have to sign the meeting sheet to say that every rider is paid up to date and are happy to ride Pretty sure they do but why are riders STILL owed thousands from British & foreign clubs. This is NOT ONE MEETING NON PAYMENT so why is it allowed to continue. It was assumed that a few Workington riders were not paid on time but that was due to minimal home meetings at the start & mid season of which they eventually caught up with much success. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: Pretty sure they do but why are riders STILL owed thousands from British & foreign clubs. This is NOT ONE MEETING NON PAYMENT so why is it allowed to continue. It was assumed that a few Workington riders were not paid on time but that was due to minimal home meetings at the start & mid season of which they eventually caught up with much success. Its nothing new riders not getting their money on time,whether they get all that is owed to them is a different matter, I know of a rider who only went back to a club the next season because it was his best chance of getting the money he was owed from previous season,and I’d bet there were a few others in the same boat with various clubs throughout the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, IronScorpion said: Pretty sure they do but why are riders STILL owed thousands from British & foreign clubs. This is NOT ONE MEETING NON PAYMENT so why is it allowed to continue. It was assumed that a few Workington riders were not paid on time but that was due to minimal home meetings at the start & mid season of which they eventually caught up with much success. Although the usual intention is to pay regularly, there are times when it is almost impossible, but it is how it is handled that's important. I remember a month of June many years ago, when we did not have any home meetings, but all our away meetings took place. Typical cashflow, as clubs don't have spare cash splashing around that they can use. We talked to the captain, and some affected riders, and it was agreed that we would make payments every month over the rest of the year until we caught up, and some federation agreed fees were then to be paid at the end of the season. That was agreed and implemented, and riders who rode for us that year continued to ride for us the following year. I believe the same approach was adopted at Worky last year and they certainly didn't ride as if they were pissed off for the rest of the season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 Who came up with the brilliant fixture list that may have helped this situation though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daytripper Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 2 hours ago, mac101 said: Pretty sure The captains have to sign the meeting sheet to say that every rider is paid up to date and are happy to ride Everybody has to sign in for the referee, ie track curator , track doctor, team managers, machine examiners and team captains. The team captains don't specifically have to confirm the team has been paid but a lot make a comment on the form that there is money otstanding. I have know several team captains to say on the form that monies are outstanding but I have never heard of the BSPA doing anything about it. However, since the BSPA themselves are often horrendously late paying Team GB riders they are not really in a strong position to take action against anybody else. I personally knew a former Team GB rider who said it cost him £1500 last time he road for his country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, topaz325 said: Who came up with the brilliant fixture list that may have helped this situation though? I may have been told wrong, but I was told that this year the clubs took it upon themselves to arrange their own fixtures direct with their opponents. Unfortunately in that system the strongest are the most belligerent, and I would imagine that some clubs like Worky lost out, especially when the Friday meeting were wiped out for some and there was no interest/cooperation in arranging replacement dates, leaving them all instead to the usual end of season mayhem. In the past, fixtures were in the capable hands of Colin Pratt and John Campbell for their respective leagues, and each club could reserve certain attractive fixtures like Good Fridays and some holiday Mondays as well as allowing for known clashes with other events, or no track availability. I know who are the best to arrange the fixtures and it's not the promotions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted December 4, 2018 Report Share Posted December 4, 2018 Just now, Tsunami said: I may have been told wrong, but I was told that this year the clubs took it upon themselves to arrange their own fixtures direct with their opponents. Unfortunately in that system the strongest are the most belligerent, and I would imagine that some clubs like Worky lost out, especially when the Friday meeting were wiped out for some and there was no interest/cooperation in arranging replacement dates, leaving them all instead to the usual end of season mayhem. In the past, fixtures were in the capable hands of Colin Pratt and John Campbell for their respective leagues, and each club could reserve certain attractive fixtures like Good Fridays and some holiday Mondays as well as allowing for known clashes with other events, or no track availability. I know who are the best to arrange the fixtures and it's not the promotions. Thanks for the reply, it seems the damage was done on the first draft of the fixtures, then after that just got worse... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 From the Meeting Certificate:- We being the TEAM CAPTAINS certify that all monies due to each member of the Team have been paid as per the Riders Agreement except as listed belowHome: Name ............................................................................................ ............................... Signed ....................................................................................... Full Details & Contact No ................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Away: Name ...........................................................................................................................Signed ................................................................... .................... Full Details & Contact No ................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted December 5, 2018 Report Share Posted December 5, 2018 14 hours ago, Tsunami said: I may have been told wrong, but I was told that this year the clubs took it upon themselves to arrange their own fixtures direct with their opponents. Unfortunately in that system the strongest are the most belligerent, and I would imagine that some clubs like Worky lost out, especially when the Friday meeting were wiped out for some and there was no interest/cooperation in arranging replacement dates, leaving them all instead to the usual end of season mayhem. In the past, fixtures were in the capable hands of Colin Pratt and John Campbell for their respective leagues, and each club could reserve certain attractive fixtures like Good Fridays and some holiday Mondays as well as allowing for known clashes with other events, or no track availability. I know who are the best to arrange the fixtures and it's not the promotions. Your not wrong, certainly in the case of the Championship it was in the hands of the BSPA office for a while but they passed it on and arranged a meeting of respective promoters and you all know what followed. It should be easier in the Premiership this year with just two days to chose from but I dare say someone will make it as difficult as possible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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