Rayleigh Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 (edited) Amazed to read in the Speedway Star today "Lakeside are unable to compete at Rye House with the BSPA said to be in dispute with the former Rockets promotion over their mid-season collapse" 1) Then why did Lakeside have permission to ride there at the end of the season? 2) What is the "dispute" with the former promotion? It is common knowledge that there has been late payers before and to my knowledge it has never resulted in this action. 3) What has the dispute go to do with Lakeside? Edited November 22, 2018 by Rayleigh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 Lakeside were probably only allowed to use Rye to ensure they completed their fixtures. As for BMR and the BSPA, it's obvious there were financial problems last season. Only the powers that be know the real reasons why the Rye promotion have been shown the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 I still fail to see the logic applied by the BSPA in making Lakeside race ALL their outstanding fixtures at Rye House rather than only those they were unable to stage at Arena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 53 minutes ago, TonyE said: I still fail to see the logic applied by the BSPA in making Lakeside race ALL their outstanding fixtures at Rye House rather than only those they were unable to stage at Arena. Logic and the BSPA don't really go together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 (edited) Jon Cook saying in the speedway star they made a loss of over £9000 for the Peterborough meeting which was restaged and the attendance was 211. Edited November 23, 2018 by liam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, liam said: Jon Cook saying in the speedway star they made a loss of over £9000 for the Peterborough meeting which was restaged and the attendance was 211. Ignoring children and assuming a fair chunk of admissions are pensioners that would make break-even attendance of about 900. Factor in extra programme income and that becomes 850 or so, a figure I rarely saw achieved in my travels last season at most CL tracks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 2 hours ago, arnieg said: Ignoring children and assuming a fair chunk of admissions are pensioners that would make break-even attendance of about 900. Factor in extra programme income and that becomes 850 or so, a figure I rarely saw achieved in my travels last season at most CL tracks It cost Workington just over £7000 to try and stage their league meeting with Lakeside, The pulled meeting that never happened but should have; cancelled by the BSPA with the fixture fiasco on a warm sunny summer Friday night, The meeting where Dan Bewley got injured which was abandoned after heat 3; the double header where it binned it down an hour before the meeting that got that one rained off; then the frozen track on the last night of the season abandoned after heat 4. Cash they could ill afford to lose to be fair. Regards THJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 2 hours ago, arnieg said: Ignoring children and assuming a fair chunk of admissions are pensioners that would make break-even attendance of about 900. Factor in extra programme income and that becomes 850 or so, a figure I rarely saw achieved in my travels last season at most CL tracks You are almost on the money Arnie, give or take a few quid. No wonder the NL clubs are uncertain about moving up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 The presenter from the radio interview with Cook last night said the BSPA wouldn’t allow Lakeside to run in the Premiership or Championship at Rye due to the poor facilities. They could have run national league though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 6 hours ago, cityrebel said: You are almost on the money Arnie, give or take a few quid. No wonder the NL clubs are uncertain about moving up. 'A little bird' (nameless speedway promoter) once told me 800 give or take would represent a break-even ish figure (depending on individual circumstancs) for a 2nd division track; former Premier now Championship League.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 11 hours ago, TonyE said: I still fail to see the logic applied by the BSPA in making Lakeside race ALL their outstanding fixtures at Rye House rather than only those they were unable to stage at Arena. ???. Not quite sure i understand that statement. Surely all the fixtures they raced at Rye House WERE those that they couldn't stage at Arena because it had closed! If they didn't fulfill the full fixture list they could potentially be fined. Workington may have been fined for not completing their fixtures with the last League fixture not reaching a conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 21 minutes ago, leander said: ???. Not quite sure i understand that statement. Surely all the fixtures they raced at Rye House WERE those that they couldn't stage at Arena because it had closed! If they didn't fulfill the full fixture list they could potentially be fined. Workington may have been fined for not completing their fixtures with the last League fixture not reaching a conclusion. As I understand it, there were, potentially, two dates that we could have run. The problem was that we had two league matches, a Championship Shield and likely Play-Off meetings to fit in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 15 minutes ago, TonyE said: As I understand it, there were, potentially, two dates that we could have run. The problem was that we had two league matches, a Championship Shield and likely Play-Off meetings to fit in. That is right Tony, Cook said we had 7 meetings to run and we was offered 2 dates by the landlords at Arena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 18 hours ago, TonyE said: As I understand it, there were, potentially, two dates that we could have run. The problem was that we had two league matches, a Championship Shield and likely Play-Off meetings to fit in. I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 On 11/22/2018 at 9:29 PM, cityrebel said: Lakeside were probably only allowed to use Rye to ensure they completed their fixtures. As for BMR and the BSPA, it's obvious there were financial problems last season. Only the powers that be know the real reasons why the Rye promotion have been shown the door. I would suspect it's along the lines of the bond, that they are required to post with the BSPA before they run, not being sufficient to cover their outstanding debts (riders wages etc.). The BSPA will have paid the riders the outstanding wages, all be it at the standard league rate. I.e. Not the additional money agreed between Rye House and the individual riders. Just a theory. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 If there is a track available at Rye House, which it seems it is, and there is a promotion able to run speedway there and there seems there is, would you not think it would be in the interests of everyone to put one with the other and keep speedway going, irrespective of the arguments between the former Rye House promotion and the BSPA 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 12 minutes ago, screm said: If there is a track available at Rye House, which it seems it is, and there is a promotion able to run speedway there and there seems there is, would you not think it would be in the interests of everyone to put one with the other and keep speedway going, irrespective of the arguments between the former Rye House promotion and the BSPA Both the Rye House and Lakeside promotions suffered considerable losses running there last season. I don't see a queue of prospective promoters wanting to run at Rye. NL racing might be worth a punt for someone with deep pockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oafski Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, screm said: If there is a track available at Rye House, which it seems it is, and there is a promotion able to run speedway there and there seems there is, would you not think it would be in the interests of everyone to put one with the other and keep speedway going, irrespective of the arguments between the former Rye House promotion and the BSPA But if the former Rye House Promotion own the track then it's unlikely that the BSPA would want to see them getting any return on their investment by renting the track to someone else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Oafski said: But if the former Rye House Promotion own the track then it's unlikely that the BSPA would want to see them getting any return on their investment by renting the track to someone else. Yes that may be very true though the current situation sees many people who would normally follow Rye House or Lakeside not able to attend speedway, possibly lost to the sport forever, the BSPA have just an AGM that is meant to lay the foundations for the future. Compromise ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 29 minutes ago, screm said: Yes that may be very true though the current situation sees many people who would normally follow Rye House or Lakeside not able to attend speedway, possibly lost to the sport forever, the BSPA have just an AGM that is meant to lay the foundations for the future. Compromise ? BMR ruffled far too many feathers for there to be a compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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