Is Nobody bothered ?

[Sir Sidney]

19 hours ago, 1 valve said:

It is just plain wrong that two or more  clubs in the same league are under the influence of the same person/company/promoters.

No other self respecting sport allows this and casts massive doubt on the integrity of speedway, the independence of teams and indeed its long term survival.

Yes it would be good to have an overall supremo - but that person must have no ties to an individual club/team/league.

F1 - Red Bull and Torro Rosso? 

[ouch]

3 hours ago, Star Lady said:

Not saying there won't be accusations of manipulation but what would have been your solution to a five team top league then?

Amalgamation. 

[1 valve]

3 hours ago, Sir Sidney said:

F1 - Red Bull and Torro Rosso? 

I see your point but Torro Rosso (Red Bull in Italian) is run openly as a feeder B team to Red Bull with a wide range of rules and regulations ensuring “fair play” to all concerned whereas I’m not sure either Ipswich or Peterborough will want to play second fiddle to the Stars, 

 

 

[Star Lady]

55 minutes ago, ouch said:

Amalgamation. 

Pretty clear the Championship clubs didn't want that.

any other suggestions?

Not being deliberately difficult simply realistic.

 

[Trees]

31 minutes ago, 1 valve said:

I see your point but Torro Rosso (Red Bull in Italian) is run openly as a feeder B team to Red Bull with a wide range of rules and regulations ensuring “fair play” to all concerned whereas I’m not sure either Ipswich or Peterborough will want to play second fiddle to the Stars, 

 

 

And Stars fans would NEVER want them to, can you imagine Chris Louis having any part of playing second fiddle to the Stars??

[f-s-p]

On 11/15/2018 at 2:01 PM, cityrebel said:

A track licence for 2019 would need to be issued before any prospective promoter took up residence. Easier said than done.

If the track had a license 2018, why not 2019?

[cityrebel]

4 minutes ago, f-s-p said:

If the track had a license 2018, why not 2019?

That's a question only the BSPA can answer.

[Daniel Smith]

3 hours ago, 1 valve said:

I see your point but Torro Rosso (Red Bull in Italian) is run openly as a feeder B team to Red Bull with a wide range of rules and regulations ensuring “fair play” to all concerned whereas I’m not sure either Ipswich or Peterborough will want to play second fiddle to the Stars, 

 

 

You're quite right but the Witches and Panthers have always been the understudies to the Stars so no need to change things now 

[Halifaxtiger]

3 hours ago, Star Lady said:

Pretty clear the Championship clubs didn't want that.

any other suggestions?

Not being deliberately difficult simply realistic.

 

I am fairly sure at least some of the Premiership ones didn't either. 

[1 valve]

13 hours ago, Trees said:

And Stars fans would NEVER want them to, can you imagine Chris Louis having any part of playing second fiddle to the Stars??

On the face of it no. But has  there been any reason given by Him or Ipswich as to why (apparently) having been happy to continue in the 2nd tier the move up needed to involve selling the club?  Anything to do with Thursday race nights & doubling up etc? 

[WestGorton1884]

Is this the same Chapman who refused to allow the postponement of the BV v KL meeting last May? ,

despite the Aces actually struggling to put a team together, 

working for the 'good of the sport' then was he ?.

And now we've got it threefold !!!....... 

Edited November 18, 2018 by WestGorton1884

[SteveLyric2]

Buster just wants to ba a winner - no shame there!!  He's now purchased reached a commercial agreement for 2 more chances in 2019.

Will it be enough I wonder?!

[Trees]

7 hours ago, 1 valve said:

On the face of it no. But has  there been any reason given by Him or Ipswich as to why (apparently) having been happy to continue in the 2nd tier the move up needed to involve selling the club?  Anything to do with Thursday race nights & doubling up etc? 

No, nothing, maybe it will come out, the Ipswich fans will want to know for sure... 

[Alan_Jones]

1 minute ago, Trees said:

No, nothing, maybe it will come out, the Ipswich fans will want to know for sure... 

Pretty obvious isn't it? The Sky money that was used to bribe Kings' Lynn and Leicester into propping up the league a few seasons ago isn't there any more so this time a more creative solution had to be devised.

[Trees]

Just now, Alan_Jones said:

Pretty obvious isn't it? The Sky money that was used to bribe Kings' Lynn and Leicester into propping up the league a few seasons ago isn't there any more so this time a more creative solution had to be devised.

Of course, the fans will want to know the score although does it really matter? 

[Spl77]

11 hours ago, 1 valve said:

On the face of it no. But has  there been any reason given by Him or Ipswich as to why (apparently) having been happy to continue in the 2nd tier the move up needed to involve selling the club?  Anything to do with Thursday race nights & doubling up etc? 

From the outside looking in I think Louis was happy to continue in the championship had that stayed at the same level as the last couple of seasons.

Once it became clear that I was going to weaken he was concerned that the Ipswich public would not support that. However didn't want to take the financial risk of top flight racing.

Chapman needed Ipswich to move up to save the premiership and so the value of the club increased & Louis cashed in. 

Can't say I blame Louis for selling as in a few years the way speedway is going it would have been worth bugger all. 

The cleaver part is that Louis has a clause to buy the club back in the future if he wishes so if the sport has an amazing recovery he can take back control. 

That for Louis is a win win situation. 

[Daniel Smith]

5 hours ago, Spl77 said:

From the outside looking in I think Louis was happy to continue in the championship had that stayed at the same level as the last couple of seasons.

Once it became clear that I was going to weaken he was concerned that the Ipswich public would not support that. However didn't want to take the financial risk of top flight racing.

Chapman needed Ipswich to move up to save the premiership and so the value of the club increased & Louis cashed in. 

Can't say I blame Louis for selling as in a few years the way speedway is going it would have been worth bugger all. 

The cleaver part is that Louis has a clause to buy the club back in the future if he wishes so if the sport has an amazing recovery he can take back control. 

That for Louis is a win win situation. 

Yes in principle, but if Ipswich ever turn over excellent profits Chapman will never hand it back, why should he. Louis will only get ownership again if Chapman's 5 year plan fails. 

[ouch]

On 11/17/2018 at 9:11 PM, Halifaxtiger said:

I am fairly sure at least some of the Premiership ones didn't either. 

It’s not about what people want it’s about what’s best. Any successful person/business/organisation follows this rule. 

The implication is that they wanted what they’ve got, a seven team league where you finish mid table and still have a chance at being “champions” and where nearly half the teams are owned by one man. 

 

[waytogo28]

On 11/19/2018 at 1:19 AM, Daniel Smith said:

Yes in principle, but if Ipswich ever turn over excellent profits Chapman will never hand it back, why should he. Louis will only get ownership again if Chapman's 5 year plan fails. 

If Buster runs his group of clubs (nor indeed takes over all the PL clubs ) in the same way as he has King's Lynn - where average crowds have fallen away year on year the end will be very predictable. Whoever owns several or all of them and fails to pull in and develop a new crowd base, it will still all collapse. 

[Halifaxtiger]

On ‎11‎/‎19‎/‎2018 at 9:27 AM, ouch said:

It’s not about what people want it’s about what’s best. Any successful person/business/organisation follows this rule. 

The implication is that they wanted what they’ve got, a seven team league where you finish mid table and still have a chance at being “champions” and where nearly half the teams are owned by one man. 

 

 

I think its a question of both, because what people want is usually what's best for them. Clearly, the clubs think a 3 league structure is best. 

I very much take your point about the play off system. Phil the Ace made an excellent suggestion that the team that finishes top go straight into the final with the next two having a semi final, thus narrowing it to three teams instead of four.

I don't have a problem with Buster Chapman having controlling interest in 3 clubs, especially as Ged Rathbone & Chris Louis will still be involved. Multi track bosses are hardly unheard of - Mike Parker and Reg Fearman springing to mind. 

Its also a question of what the alternative to retaining the Premiership was. You have mentioned amalgamation, but I think the top teams feared further loss of attendances and the weaker Championship ones trying to cope financially with the likes of Poole, Belle Vue & Wolverhampton. Furthermore, there was the question of the number of fixtures - based upon present number of clubs, there would have been 18 home and away to fit in - and the number of riders given the ridiculous number doubling up. 

Personally speaking, I think they have got it right.