Somerset 2019

[crescent girl]

33 minutes ago, SomersetBlue said:

If it's the same as last season didn't we have 6 sponsors on the jackets? That's more than some other teams get on a race suit as riders like the arms and legs for their own sponsors. Just look at Cook with Peterborough. Boro wanted to put sponsors on the arms and Cook wanted his own sponsor, now they have to find a new rider. You can still auction off these jackets and I imagine they will. Only 4 teams out of 11 will have team suits this season: Glasgow, Newcastle, Ipswich and Leicester. 

Ipswich dropping down again already?

[Najjer]

6 hours ago, SomersetBlue said:

If it's the same as last season didn't we have 6 sponsors on the jackets? That's more than some other teams get on a race suit as riders like the arms and legs for their own sponsors. Just look at Cook with Peterborough. Boro wanted to put sponsors on the arms and Cook wanted his own sponsor, now they have to find a new rider. You can still auction off these jackets and I imagine they will. Only  3 teams out of 11 will have team suits this season: Glasgow, Newcastle and Leicester. 

I don’t think you’ve understood what’s gone on with Peterborough and Cook if you think that’s the case.

As I’ve also said - the suits could pay for themselves and maintain a professional look.

Edited March 28, 2019 by Najjer

[Bagpuss]

Folk have long complained that not enough second division speedway comes on telly, maybe BT would be more inclined to show Championship meetings if all teams wore matching race wear. 

[Cliffeboy]

15 hours ago, oldtimer said:

Anybody know who is riding in both teams for Rebels v Poole ? 

How about Anders riding for Poole and the Rebels getting an extra 7 pointer as a guest to even things up.

[The Cheese]

3 hours ago, Cliffeboy said:

How about Anders riding for Poole and the Rebels getting an extra 7 pointer as a guest to even things up.

Rowe is riding for Poole with Starke guesting for Somerset

[Cliffeboy]

4 hours ago, The Cheese said:

Rowe is riding for Poole with Starke guesting for Somerset

Ok cheers The Cheese.

[SomersetBlue]

14 hours ago, Najjer said:

I don’t think you’ve understood what’s gone on with Peterborough and Cook if you think that’s the case.

As I’ve also said - the suits could pay for themselves and maintain a professional look.

Cook admitted that himself in his statement. He wanted his own sponsors on the kevlars and Peterborough wanted their sponsors in colour and on the arms. 

At £6k for a set and then race jackets too for spares, it's a lot of money to make up. Don't get me wrong I would love to have race suits they do look professional but I don't see anything wrong with race jackets either. 

Edited March 28, 2019 by SomersetBlue

[Najjer]

2 hours ago, SomersetBlue said:

Cook admitted that himself in his statement. He wanted his own sponsors on the kevlars and Peterborough wanted their sponsors in colour and on the arms. 

At £6k for a set and then race jackets too for spares, it's a lot of money to make up. Don't get me wrong I would love to have race suits they do look professional but I don't see anything wrong with race jackets either. 

A quick google search shows that Dstar would charge £3,584 excluding VAT for a complete team. Hardly ground breaking money when you compare it against an auction to purchase them, and also the additional sponsor coverage. Not to mention nearly half the figure you have quoted. 

[mikebv]

7 hours ago, Najjer said:

A quick google search shows that Dstar would charge £3,584 excluding VAT for a complete team. Hardly ground breaking money when you compare it against an auction to purchase them, and also the additional sponsor coverage. Not to mention nearly half the figure you have quoted. 

That's £5k with the VAT..

At circa £20 a punter it means you need to use 250 punters worth of admission money to cover it...

Over a season would you gain/lose 250 punters by running with/not running with race suits.?

Probably not I would think..

It's good to see clubs starting to look at their businesses as something more than a 'play thing' and trying to get them on a firmer footing..

And as has already been said, regularly one, two, three (and sometimes four and more), guests per meeting renders race suits an irrelevance anyway...

[Najjer]

27 minutes ago, mikebv said:

That's £5k with the VAT..

At circa £20 a punter it means you need to use 250 punters worth of admission money to cover it...

Over a season would you gain/lose 250 punters by running with/not running with race suits.?

Probably not I would think..

It's good to see clubs starting to look at their businesses as something more than a 'play thing' and trying to get them on a firmer footing..

And as has already been said, regularly one, two, three (and sometimes four and more), guests per meeting renders race suits an irrelevance anyway...

The VAT is refundable so is irrelevant for a Ltd company to a certain extent so the figure without VAT is what is relevant.

As has been said previously clubs have managed to do auctions to pay for the suits and actually turn a profit from it. Look professional, attract more sponsors AND make money - why would you not??

[jenga]

VAT is not refundable . its only offset against items bought . only refunds available is when you have been assessed wrong or paid too much . 

but you still have to pay it in the first place in order to get something back on paper .

[Najjer]

6 minutes ago, jenga said:

VAT is not refundable . its only offset against items bought . only refunds available is when you have been assessed wrong or paid too much . 

but you still have to pay it in the first place in order to get something back on paper .

Obviously - but in simple terms is refundable. I probably should of used the reclaim instead of refundable, if the company is a limited company and VAT registered with a turnover over a certain amount - which they will be.

Edited March 29, 2019 by Najjer

[Bagpuss]

I think it’s very short sighted to talk about the cost of racesuits being prohibitive, speedway needs to be more open minded and recognise that there is a need to improve the image of our clubs and how professional they come across. In terms of sponsorship, image, getting new people in to watch and just looking like a proper team then matching kevlars if not bike covers too are an absolute must. How many riders who whose club just have race jackets will be wearing brand new kevlars underneath anyway this or next month? 

Lynn, Peterborough and Ipswich all look fantastic and the Premiership has missed a trick with the other four clubs refusing to get involved too, it would have given the whole competition a proper identity and they could have done a launch day with a big fanfare involving a rider from each team in team racesuits and matching machines. 

Looking like a bunch of waifs and strays was all well and good in the eighties and nineties but this is 2019 and sport has moved on. Speedway is obsessed with dumbing down when it needs to go the other way to get itself out of its hole. 

[Fingersfin]

Spot on. Just laziness by the promotions. As has been pointed out suits can be owned and loaned by supporters/sponsors

 

Edited March 29, 2019 by Fingersfin
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[jenga]

1 hour ago, Najjer said:

Obviously - but in simple terms is refundable. I probably should of used the reclaim instead of refundable, if the company is a limited company and VAT registered with a turnover over a certain amount - which they will be.

if the company is a LIMITED company. they still have to pay a  %age of item that are not in the normal VAT range . but they pay a flat rate ( less ) on ALL items bought . this balances things out in the long term . 

 

49 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

I think it’s very short sighted to talk about the cost of racesuits being prohibitive, speedway needs to be more open minded and recognise that there is a need to improve the image of our clubs and how professional they come across. In terms of sponsorship, image, getting new people in to watch and just looking like a proper team then matching kevlars if not bike covers too are an absolute must. How many riders who whose club just have race jackets will be wearing brand new kevlars underneath anyway this or next month? 

Lynn, Peterborough and Ipswich all look fantastic and the Premiership has missed a trick with the other four clubs refusing to get involved too, it would have given the whole competition a proper identity and they could have done a launch day with a big fanfare involving a rider from each team in team racesuits and matching machines. 

Looking like a bunch of waifs and strays was all well and good in the eighties and nineties but this is 2019 and sport has moved on. Speedway is obsessed with dumbing down when it needs to go the other way to get itself out of its hole. 

speedway will never be a pro sport with the guys n gals in charge . also , no need for suits ,whats wrong with the helmet colours . has belle vue not got matching suits ? its like putting go faster stripes on a reliant robin .( not knocking them , i used to have one oops ) i am with cookie on this thing with Peterborough .

you can only miss so many tricks andd then you are classed as ignorant, (bspa/scb)

enjoy the 4 months of speedway. yep , it will be that short .

[GWC]

In view of the Cook issue perhaps Poole let riders display their own sponsors and avoid any club sponsor problems.

Or maybe a carpet cleaning company isn’t quite sexy enough!

[Najjer]

4 hours ago, jenga said:

if the company is a LIMITED company. they still have to pay a  %age of item that are not in the normal VAT range . but they pay a flat rate ( less ) on ALL items bought . this balances things out in the long term . 

 

speedway will never be a pro sport with the guys n gals in charge . also , no need for suits ,whats wrong with the helmet colours . has belle vue not got matching suits ? its like putting go faster stripes on a reliant robin .( not knocking them , i used to have one oops ) i am with cookie on this thing with Peterborough .

you can only miss so many tricks andd then you are classed as ignorant, (bspa/scb)

enjoy the 4 months of speedway. yep , it will be that short .

How anybody can side with Craig Cook in that saga is anyone’s guess. Speedway is struggling financially and whilst there is sponsors pumping money in keeping clubs afloat they should get every preference available to them. The fact Cook said he would of signed on for more points money and milking the club even more null and voids any slight argument he had. Clubs need extra revenue and if riders aren’t happy then go and ride somewhere else. All the other riders have got on board including more high profile names like Andersen, Lambert and Harris.

Edited March 29, 2019 by Najjer

[jenga]

so 9 words ruined a good post !

[SteveLyric2]

On 3/29/2019 at 12:00 PM, GWC said:

In view of the Cook issue perhaps Poole let riders display their own sponsors and avoid any club sponsor problems.

Or maybe a carpet cleaning company isn’t quite sexy enough!

All the main club sponsors at Poole are featured on the riders' racesuits/jackets and bikes, as well as any individual rider sponsors - just as they were last season.

[TotallyHonestJohn]

On 3/28/2019 at 9:09 AM, Bagpuss said:

Folk have long complained that not enough second division speedway comes on telly, maybe BT would be more inclined to show Championship meetings if all teams wore matching race wear. 

I was once told that a Somerset/Newcastle televised meeting (Div 2) on Sky was only selected because both teams had team suits; and that Sky preferred clubs to have team suits! how true that was I have no idea; then I believe this was followed up with a Somerset/Workington or Scunny/Worky match where Worky were definitely not in team suits so it may be utter rubbish... Memory may be failing too but I will stand corrected; however I did hear the same said about a Newcastle/Glasgow televised meeting that it was selected by Sky because both teams turned out in team suits!!!

On 3/28/2019 at 11:06 PM, Najjer said:

A quick google search shows that Dstar would charge £3,584 excluding VAT for a complete team. Hardly ground breaking money when you compare it against an auction to purchase them, and also the additional sponsor coverage. Not to mention nearly half the figure you have quoted. 

 

On 3/29/2019 at 6:49 AM, mikebv said:

That's £5k with the VAT..

At circa £20 a punter it means you need to use 250 punters worth of admission money to cover it...

Over a season would you gain/lose 250 punters by running with/not running with race suits.?

Probably not I would think..

It's good to see clubs starting to look at their businesses as something more than a 'play thing' and trying to get them on a firmer footing..

And as has already been said, regularly one, two, three (and sometimes four and more), guests per meeting renders race suits an irrelevance anyway...

 

On 3/29/2019 at 9:37 AM, Fingersfin said:

Spot on. Just laziness by the promotions. As has been pointed out suits can be owned and loaned by supporters/sponsors

 

You only pay VAT if your purchase comes from a VAT registered company The taxable turnover threshold which determines whether a person must be registered for VAT, is £85,000. You can only claim VAT back if you are a VAT registered company. The irony being there is an argument that the advertising on the suits is VAT exempt and to add to the confusion some riders are VAT registered!!! but all clubs will be VAT registered.

Newcastle first went down the team suit route (2007 I think) when Darryl Illingworth and Darren Bond came up with the idea to get local businesses involved. Our company was asked (in 2012 I think) if they would pay £350 quid to sponsor a suit and be the main sponsor of that suit (they were told they would get preferential advertising on the full right leg, stomach and small of the back) (which didn't happen but never mind) the main sponsor had the chest and right arm and the rest of the suit was left for the riders, so 7 companies were approached for the 7 suits and it worked. No cost to the club. (except for injuries and team changes) and of course guests still ended up with a bib! 

The cost of a suit now is £500 quid and no VAT as our supplier is not VAT registered, and it is an easy way to provide team suits and gives the smaller businesses the opportunity to get their name out there; it just needs someone to co-ordinate it with the club/promotion; so £3500 gets you a full set of team suits. A small business or one man band may look favourably if his only outlay to get a bit of advertisement and kudos only runs to £500 quid

On 3/29/2019 at 10:06 AM, jenga said:

if the company is a LIMITED company. they still have to pay a  %age of item that are not in the normal VAT range . but they pay a flat rate ( less ) on ALL items bought . this balances things out in the long term . 

As ever utter Horlicks!!! next to you Donald Trump is a Genius

Here is a one we done earlier (sorry its not the right team)

Regards
THJ