Peterborough Panthers 2019

[PE7Panther]

This Peterborough Panthers 2019 thread has become inundated with fans of other teams arguing the toss about the rules, and whether or not they are correct or fair.  They try hard to mask it with what they hope comes across as reasoned argument and logic - but, sadly for them, it's pretty obvious that there's a lot of sour grapes around! 

Some people might well feel that certain riders are on a 'wrong' average - but hasn't that always happened in speedway?  ForeverBlue hit the nail on the head in his post (qv) when he said:  "That is the art of good team building to get a rider that is improving or on what is deemed a false average,  the conversion rate system has always thrown up anomalies."           Funny thing is though, most of them are never quite so outraged and indignant when it's their own club that has been as shrewd as Ged has this winter.  Whatever, this really isn't the correct thread for it. 

 

Anyway, back on topic:  does anybody know of a single Panthers fan who isn't pleased with the team so far? Or who isn't really looking forward to next season?   It's too early to start getting over-confident - not that anybody is - and we just need to keep our fingers crossed that we don't have another injury ravaged season.  That's going to be a key factor. 

 

Edited December 19, 2018 by PE7Panther

[Steve Irving]

6 hours ago, PE7Panther said:

This Peterborough Panthers 2019 thread has become inundated with fans of other teams arguing the toss about the rules, and whether or not they are correct or fair.  They try hard to mask it with what they hope comes across as reasoned argument and logic - but, sadly for them, it's pretty obvious that there's a lot of sour grapes around! 

Some people might well feel that certain riders are on a 'wrong' average - but hasn't that always happened in speedway?  ForeverBlue hit the nail on the head in his post (qv) when he said:  "That is the art of good team building to get a rider that is improving or on what is deemed a false average,  the conversion rate system has always thrown up anomalies."           Funny thing is though, most of them are never quite so outraged and indignant when it's their own club that has been as shrewd as Ged has this winter.  Whatever, this really isn't the correct thread for it. 

 

Anyway, back on topic:  does anybody know of a single Panthers fan who isn't pleased with the team so far? Or who isn't really looking forward to next season?   It's too early to start getting over-confident - not that anybody is - and we just need to keep our fingers crossed that we don't have another injury ravaged season.  That's going to be a key factor. 

 

Of course it’s the right thread man! People are commenting on the proposed averages of two riders just signed by Peterborough for 2019. 

Whether you think they’re way off to question those averages or not is irrelevant, but this is definitely the right thread for them to do so. 

[Steve0]

6 hours ago, PE7Panther said:

This Peterborough Panthers 2019 thread has become inundated with fans of other teams arguing the toss about the rules, and whether or not they are correct or fair.  They try hard to mask it with what they hope comes across as reasoned argument and logic - but, sadly for them, it's pretty obvious that there's a lot of sour grapes around! 

Some people might well feel that certain riders are on a 'wrong' average - but hasn't that always happened in speedway?  ForeverBlue hit the nail on the head in his post (qv) when he said:  "That is the art of good team building to get a rider that is improving or on what is deemed a false average,  the conversion rate system has always thrown up anomalies."           Funny thing is though, most of them are never quite so outraged and indignant when it's their own club that has been as shrewd as Ged has this winter.  Whatever, this really isn't the correct thread for it. 

 

Anyway, back on topic:  does anybody know of a single Panthers fan who isn't pleased with the team so far? Or who isn't really looking forward to next season?   It's too early to start getting over-confident - not that anybody is - and we just need to keep our fingers crossed that we don't have another injury ravaged season.  That's going to be a key factor. 

 

Sour grapes?  Not a wheel has been turned so I don’t think it is as it may spectacularly backfire like Poole’s starting 7 last season.

i don’t think it will backfire - but you never know until they are on the track!

[Sidney the robin]

6 hours ago, PE7Panther said:

This Peterborough Panthers 2019 thread has become inundated with fans of other teams arguing the toss about the rules, and whether or not they are correct or fair.  They try hard to mask it with what they hope comes across as reasoned argument and logic - but, sadly for them, it's pretty obvious that there's a lot of sour grapes around! 

Some people might well feel that certain riders are on a 'wrong' average - but hasn't that always happened in speedway?  ForeverBlue hit the nail on the head in his post (qv) when he said:  "That is the art of good team building to get a rider that is improving or on what is deemed a false average,  the conversion rate system has always thrown up anomalies."           Funny thing is though, most of them are never quite so outraged and indignant when it's their own club that has been as shrewd as Ged has this winter.  Whatever, this really isn't the correct thread for it. 

 

Anyway, back on topic:  does anybody know of a single Panthers fan who isn't pleased with the team so far? Or who isn't really looking forward to next season?   It's too early to start getting over-confident - not that anybody is - and we just need to keep our fingers crossed that we don't have another injury ravaged season.  That's going to be a key factor. 

 

The rules are what they are and your club has done very well.They are  a club i am looking forward to see race at the Abbey.With the limited amount of real firepower at the top end ex) Doyley, Lambert, Iversen?? it is exciting that the league could have a strong heat 2 with the likes of Barker- Bjerre-N.B.J.Covatti. a real strong heat like going back to the 80s.

[Crump99]

Ah it's good to be back although missing Totally Honest John already but didn't manage to shake off Taps who is now in fact a step brother of sorts (Not a favourite Brother of course, Lord no, more of an illegitimate backstairs sprog)  

Back on topic indeed:

10 hours ago, PE7Panther said:

Anyway, back on topic:  does anybody know of a single Panthers fan who isn't pleased with the team so far? Or who isn't really looking forward to next season?   It's too early to start getting over-confident - not that anybody is - and we just need to keep our fingers crossed that we don't have another injury ravaged season.  That's going to be a key factor. 

 

I'd agree with that. I just hope that the presentation and atmosphere improves because it has been pretty dire and flat for a while now. To get people in midweek at increased cost means that it has to be better. As Rathbone said: “We know it’s important that we step up in other areas too, and we want to further improve the whole race-night experience for everyone next year." - I suggest that he bends the ear of Bratley (especially) & Andersen.

Edited December 19, 2018 by Crump99

[DC2]

10 hours ago, PE7Panther said:

Some people might well feel that certain riders are on a 'wrong' average - but hasn't that always happened in speedway?  ForeverBlue hit the nail on the head in his post (qv) when he said:  "That is the art of good team building to get a rider that is improving or on what is deemed a false average,  the conversion rate system has always thrown up anomalies."           

 

A “wrong” average is always wrong; it is usually down to an anomaly or a bad decision by the BSPA and should be deplored.

A promoter spotting an up and coming rider who is likely to improve has a skill that should be admired.

Barker and Bjerre are not up and coming riders. Their averages are just prime examples of the BSPA getting it wrong.

P.S. The day that foreverblue hits the nail on the head he’ll need a bandage for his thumb.  

[acef]

15 hours ago, Sidney the robin said:

They are decent reserves but Barker ( who i like and enjoy watching is on the wane) Bjerre never been a fan of.Saying that they do look a good partnership but there is a slight niggle  there for me that i am not convinced i  do prefer Poole reserves.

Lasse has been around for a few years now, never really kicked on and has been in the shadow of his brother for a long time.

Barker is done. He’s starting at reserve for a reason and younger, hungrier, keener reserves will be beating him comfortably.

It reminds of the Rye team this one, and you said this a couple pages back, it feels like a dads army team. I agree. It’s a bit of that, a bit of some riders who are just steady Eddie, and only really BWD who has the potential to seriously improve that avaerage.

I mean don’t get me wrong, in a 7 team league it’s going to be in a play off conversation but no way on this planet is that team the strongest one announced. No bias, but BV are so much stronger.

[Sidney the robin]

11 minutes ago, acef said:

Lasse has been around for a few years now, never really kicked on and has been in the shadow of his brother for a long time.

Barker is done. He’s starting at reserve for a reason and younger, hungrier, keener reserves will be beating him comfortably.

It reminds of the Rye team this one, and you said this a couple pages back, it feels like a dads army team. I agree. It’s a bit of that, a bit of some riders who are just steady Eddie, and only really BWD who has the potential to seriously improve that avaerage.

I mean don’t get me wrong, in a 7 team league it’s going to be in a play off conversation but no way on this planet is that team the strongest one announced. No bias, but BV are so much stronger.

I dont see Peterborough  winning anything entertaining yes Swindon and Belle Vue are very similar in alot of ways a mixture of youth and exsperience.Between them Fricke, Worrall, Bewley, Lidsey, Musielak, Zach,Ellis, Shanes, can all improve.

[Steve0]

56 minutes ago, acef said:

It reminds of the Rye team this one, and you said this a couple pages back, it feels like a dads army team. I agree. It’s a bit of that, a bit of some riders who are just steady Eddie, and only really BWD who has the potential to seriously improve that avaerage.

I mean don’t get me wrong, in a 7 team league it’s going to be in a play off conversation but no way on this planet is that team the strongest one announced. No bias, but BV are so much stronger.

 Really?  I disagree!

[acef]

3 minutes ago, Steve0 said:

 Really?  I disagree!

I’m sure you won’t be the only one.

 

[foreverblue]

1 minute ago, acef said:

I’m sure you won’t be the only one.

 

Absolutely not Belle Vue look very weak.

[acef]

45 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said:

I dont see Peterborough  winning anything entertaining yes Swindon and Belle Vue are very similar in alot of ways a mixture of youth and exsperience.Between them Fricke, Worrall, Bewley, Lidsey, Musielak, Zach,Ellis, Shanes, can all improve.

I think bv are a little more balanced. Swindon have a terrific top 3 and that will be enough to keep you in most meetings but the tail is very long. The improvement you speak about is going to need to happen imo. We shall see.

[acef]

1 minute ago, foreverblue said:

Absolutely not Belle Vue look very weak.

That’s terrific. Thanks for sharing.

[bigcatdiary]

8 minutes ago, acef said:

I think bv are a little more balanced. Swindon have a terrific top 3 and that will be enough to keep you in most meetings but the tail is very long. The improvement you speak about is going to need to happen imo. We shall see.

It’s all opinion at this stage but not all teams are in yet

 

[Sidney the robin]

37 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

Absolutely not Belle Vue look very weak.

Worrall i am sure will be fine he is naturally fit, he will score well decent away.Dan will need time but he will ride through it Fricke if he is on it he can average 9 plus at home he is that good.Lidsey i have followed since his under 15/16 days he is a talent and cant wait to see him race.For me this Vue side looks exciting personally want Fricke to push on a real class act love watching him ride ADAMS (esc)!!!

Edited December 19, 2018 by Sidney the robin

[mikebv]

38 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

Absolutely not Belle Vue look very weak.

Plenty of scope to bring in riders later then...

You only seem to build a team for the first six to eight weeks in Speedway...

Then build a team to win you the league around May/Jun...

The season starts fast to cram in as many meetings as possible before Poland and Sweden kick off..

Then we have a lull when teams go weeks without meetings allied to the week out whilst the SON takes place..

Then from late July onwards it's full steam ahead to fit all the matches in before the cut off point..

Whoever has the best team going in to August can easily be the winner...

You can finish nearer the bottom than the top points wise and yet be crowned Champs..

 

Edited December 19, 2018 by mikebv

[BluPanther]

A few Aces fans seem to be more concerned with the Panthers team than their own average line up, it's a funny old world  

[TesarRacing]

2 minutes ago, BluPanther said:

A few Aces fans seem to be more concerned with the Panthers team than their own average line up, it's a funny old world  

Normal for speedway I would say Blu...

[therefused]

59 minutes ago, acef said:

I think bv are a little more balanced. Swindon have a terrific top 3 and that will be enough to keep you in most meetings but the tail is very long. The improvement you speak about is going to need to happen imo. We shall see.

thats terrific. thanks for sharing

[acef]

1 hour ago, therefused said:

thats terrific. thanks for sharing

Fancy yourself as a bit of a comedian then. It’s not working.