BluTiger Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: I don't get how those averages have been allowed. Lasse Bjerre and Ben Barker should be on their 2017 Premiership averages as it's the highest official average they have. Lasse Bjerre 6.10 - Ben Barker 5.85 Quiet Daniel, 4.72 and 4.58 is much better Edited December 17, 2018 by BluPanther 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Lets not forget that these are just announcements at this stage. Nothing is certain until every team and its averages is ratified by the BSPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 6 hours ago, New era Panthers said: 5.25 BWD =5.22 5.37 left for the final rider 29 minutes ago, New era Panthers said: 4.72 and 4.70 respectively 4.72 and 4.58 8 minutes ago, New era Panthers said: Correct. Both Lasse and Ben come in on converted 2018 CL averages, Ben’s average includes the 2.5% discount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: Both Lasse and Ben come in on converted 2018 CL averages, Ben’s average includes the 2.5% discount. Why? They both contain official premiership averages from 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluTiger Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 So 5.37 left and MPT is 5.36 ..... Fits like a glove, but would be happy with BWD ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: I don't get how those averages have been allowed. Lasse Bjerre and Ben Barker should be on their 2017 Premiership averages as it's the highest official average they have. Lasse Bjerre 6.10 - Ben Barker 5.85 The most recently established MA is used, unless a rider has an average from both leagues in the same season when the appropriate average applies. (Art 16.2.7) 4 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Lets not forget that these are just announcements at this stage. Nothing is certain until every team and its averages is ratified by the BSPA. Spot on, all averages need to be ratified by the BSPA Office in due course 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: The most recently established MA is used, unless a rider has an average from both leagues in the same season when the appropriate average applies. (Art 16.2.7) But it’s plain stupid to say that a PL to CL conversion rate of 1.5 will be applied to PL riders to discourage them from doubling up in the CL and yet allow the rate in reverse to allow CL riders who have had experience in the PL be brought back into the PL on lower averages. So a 2018 PL reserve like Wajtknecht, who is doing his best to progress, now has to face CL heat leaders riding at reserve for another team. That can’t be right. Rasmus Jensen is anotherer example. He has a CL average of 6.59 (compared to Wajtknecht’s CL average of 5.19) but could come in to a PL reserve berth on a paltry 4.39 (compared to Wajtknecht’s genuine PL average of 4.37). How is that fair to 2018 PL riders? Just wrong. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 What a side. I have a job interview on Thursday for a position in Lynch Wood, near the Showground. Wish me luck guys. If I'm successful, I will then buy a season ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, DC2 said: But it’s plain stupid to say that a PL to CL conversion rate of 1.5 will be applied to PL riders to discourage them from doubling up in the CL and yet allow the rate in reverse to allow CL riders who have had experience in the PL be brought back into the PL on lower averages. So a 2018 PL reserve like Wajtknecht, who is doing his best to progress, now has to face CL heat leaders riding at reserve for another team. That can’t be right. Rasmus Jensen is anotherer example. He has a CL average of 6.59 (compared to Wajtknecht’s CL average of 5.19) but could come in to a PL reserve berth on a paltry 4.39 (compared to Wajtknecht’s genuine PL average of 4.37). How is that fair to 2018 PL riders? Just wrong. Unfair but one has to take into a/c that Zach has ridden in Prem for 2 seasons where Jensen has never ridden. Zach therefore has established 20 match rolling GSA av in Prem. Jensen is perhaps an extreme example and when you look at all his results for Workington in OCT (of which quite a few) you would think you are comparing a HL in Champ compered to a reserve in what may well be Poole's Prem side. Perhaps that and Klindt pestering Ford to look closer at him is part of the reason he may well turn out for Poole. BUT then again it could go wrong. Remember Spaniak last season. I take the point though that a young British rider learning his trade is somewhat disadvantaged by the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, JeremyCorbynFan said: What a side. I have a job interview on Thursday for a position in Lynch Wood, near the Showground. Wish me luck guys. If I'm successful, I will then buy a season ticket. Sure you won't be pushing the No Confidence Vote with your friend in Parliament ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 at last panthers do look like they have got team building right on paper , not barkers biggest fan but if he's on it at start of season panthers could be nigh on unbeatable early doors 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PE7Panther Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, JeremyCorbynFan said: What a side. I have a job interview on Thursday for a position in Lynch Wood, near the Showground. Wish me luck guys. If I'm successful, I will then buy a season ticket. Yep, good luck! And if you need a character reference there'll be plenty of your fellow Panthers forumites willing to step forward 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PE7Panther Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 hour ago, NeilWatson said: 5.37 left for the final rider 4.72 and 4.58 Both Lasse and Ben come in on converted 2018 CL averages, Ben’s average includes the 2.5% discount. Neil, What about Bomber and Cook; Brit rider reduction for them too? And dare I ask whether BW-D also gets it...... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said: Unfair but one has to take into a/c that Zach has ridden in Prem for 2 seasons where Jensen has never ridden. Zach therefore has established 20 match rolling GSA av in Prem. Jensen is perhaps an extreme example and when you look at all his results for Workington in OCT (of which quite a few) you would think you are comparing a HL in Champ compered to a reserve in what may well be Poole's Prem side. Perhaps that and Klindt pestering Ford to look closer at him is part of the reason he may well turn out for Poole. BUT then again it could go wrong. Remember Spaniak last season. I take the point though that a young British rider learning his trade is somewhat disadvantaged by the rules. Would Starke be 5 (his 2017 PL average) or 3.92 (his 2018 CL average converted back on 1.5)? Was a full list of averages supplied to all promoters before riders were signed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 23 minutes ago, PE7Panther said: Neil, What about Bomber and Cook; Brit rider reduction for them too? And dare I ask whether BW-D also gets it...... ? So it looks like MPT would fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 hour ago, PE7Panther said: Neil, What about Bomber and Cook; Brit rider reduction for them too? And dare I ask whether BW-D also gets it...... ? I think more than a few are interested to find that out....... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I think more than a few are interested to find that out....... It will not matter too much to Panthers regardless of 2.5 reduction they will still be able to fit him in should he be the final part of the jigsaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Got to say fair play for taking advantage of the ridiculous rules that allow 2 experienced top flight riders use their lower league averages. It yet again shows how pathetic the clowns are who allow this too happen & no dig at the team who’ve used it to their advantage. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 hour ago, DC2 said: Would Starke be 5 (his 2017 PL average) or 3.92 (his 2018 CL average converted back on 1.5)? Was a full list of averages supplied to all promoters before riders were signed? Starke did sign for both Belle Vue and Poole in 2018 so definitely Premiership average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted December 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 It'll be BWD Harris Wright Andersen BWD Cook Bjerre Barker 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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