wealdstone Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 I can't help feeling that if Mr Chapman has lost a lot of money over his ownership of Panthers he is very much the author of his own misfortune. Unfortunately others may be the ultimate victims 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, iainb said: What about parking? Mork calling Hodgy, are you there Hodgy! Having said that, wasn't the parking charge started when Bratters and Horton were in post to cover the club's SRBF contribution? One wonders if that's where it ended up then or where it ends up these days? I'm sure Bratters will correct me if I'm wrong Edited September 18, 2019 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Method Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mick Bratley said: You are making a lot of assumptions in what you have said. In recent years the hierarchy of The Showground has changed from the times when I used to deal with them a decade ago, so I can't speak about the current management team, but my assumption will be that the practicalities of running Speedway at the venue will not have changed very much, if at all. Speedway pays significant rent to the venue. I don't know what the amount is these days, but when I was promoter it was, I felt, jaw dropping. It is considerable over a season. The Speedway club are also not allowed to bring their own concessions (catering) on to the venue, so the Speedway clubs income is restricted to admissions and the sale of programmes only. Speedway comes a long way back in the queue of the events held at the Showground and that's only rightly so, it is a business after all - actually it's not, it's a charity. Effectively you pay rent for the key to open and close the place, you get little or no help from them in putting the event on or clearing up after. The Showground is not a charity (actually it is, but you probably get my drift). The Speedway staff volunteers do an absolutely amazing (and thankless) job in getting the place ready for Speedway and clearing it up afterwards, it takes a monumental amount of effort and I mean monumental and these people are the real heroes of the Speedway club. The Showground does not 'plug' the back end or keep Speedway 'afloat'. They provide a key. A very expensive one at that. The one thing Speedway does do for the Showground is provide an event for LOCAL people. Practically every other event at the Showground is supported in the majority by people who live outside of Peterborough. Not everyone locally owns a Shire Horse, Truck or Modified Car or wants to pitch a tent a couple of miles from their home and there are only so many times you can drag yourself along to Truckfest. The 'dirty shale arena' gets plenty of use from other events, often these events damage the track and fence, which additionally costs the Speedway club to put right. If other events use the floodlights - which the Speedway club paid for and installed - and a light fuses, the Speedway club has to pay for this to be replaced as well. Thank you for the clarification, certainly clears up a few things! The point I was trying to make was being careful not to bite the hand that feeds, if the showground decides to get rid of the speedway for what ever reason, then we would need to try and find an alternative venue and someone to fund it... this hasnt happened much recently. Edited September 18, 2019 by Method Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 1 hour ago, wealdstone said: I do not think that Maneacat ever claimed to have spoken to 100 people 99% so they'd have to had spoken to at least 100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 Just now, iainb said: 99% so they'd have to had spoken to at least 100 You don't have to speak to 100 to get 99% .24.75 is 99% of 25. To be clear I have no idea how many were spoken to but you do not need to speak to 100 to get a percentage of 99%. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Bratley Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Crump99 said: Having said that, wasn't the parking charge started when Bratters and Horton were in post to cover the club's SBRF contribution? One wonders if that's where it ended up then or where it ends up these days? I'm sure Bratters will correct me if I'm wrong That absolutely was the case and was used in addition to the seasonal bucket collection as our contribution to the SBRF. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 I am glad to hear that Mick. Many had feared the money supplemented the Horton Gold and Dollar reserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) As I have said hopefully the cessation of the Rigsby site is only temporary. Very sad as it had superceeded the official site and effectively there is now no fans forum. Although unused the official site is still operational and can be used until Rigsby has a change of heart. Edited September 18, 2019 by wealdstone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, wealdstone said: I am glad to hear that Mick. Many had feared the money supplemented the Horton Gold and Dollar reserves. Isn’t it time to move on from ‘Horton bashing’? Mick has lost a great deal of money running speedway over the years - any ideas that he was trousering funds are pie in the sky. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: Isn’t it time to move on from ‘Horton bashing’? Mick has lost a great deal of money running speedway over the years - any ideas that he was trousering funds are pie in the sky. We are talking about Colin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Bratley Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Method said: Thank you for the clarification, certainly clears up a few things! The point I was trying to make was being careful not to bite the hand that feeds, if the showground decides to get rid of the speedway for what ever reason, then we would need to try and find an alternative venue and someone to fund it... this hasnt happened much recently. In many ways the Showground needs the Speedway. It is a 'noise' that has been present for almost 50 years and when the nearest residents were over three miles away. Plus as I said earlier, it is one of the few events that is for LOCAL people. (Probably the only event). It'll be interesting to visit the Showground tomorrow to have a look what they plan to do with the site in the coming years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 37 minutes ago, wealdstone said: We are talking about Colin Ah, OK. Sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 2 hours ago, wealdstone said: You don't have to speak to 100 to get 99% .24.75 is 99% of 25. To be clear I have no idea how many were spoken to but you do not need to speak to 100 to get a percentage of 99%. so they spoke to three quarters of a person My general point is we don't know how many people he/she spoke to. As a Coventry fan in exile... I'd love for Buster to re-introduce the sport at Brandon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 I get your general point but your understanding of percentages are way off 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, wealdstone said: I get your general point but your understanding of percentages are way off I understand you can't talk to three quarters of a person... unless they only have 1 arm or leg 99% of the people I spoke to said they loved Buster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 If that is your understanding as to how percentages work probably it does not matter in the scheme of things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 29 minutes ago, iainb said: so they spoke to three quarters of a person Poole fan was it ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 2 hours ago, NeilWatson said: Isn’t it time to move on from ‘Horton bashing’? Mick has lost a great deal of money running speedway over the years This would be great on the Coventry 2019 thread... Oh that's right there isn't one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maneacat Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 7 hours ago, wealdstone said: I do not think that Maneacat ever claimed to have spoken to 100 people Thank you - maybe it’s just you and I that understand the meaning of percentages 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gasser90 Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 Fingers crossed buster succeeds in getting a FIM meeting at the showground next season, we have the best track in the country and we need a big international meeting to showcase this. Plus it might bring in some people that have never seen speedway before which is always good ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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