Crump99 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 9 hours ago, ouch said: As we know from past history Hans is a rider who’s performance matches his pay scale. Nice logos though. What you say might be valid and more of a case these days especially but we have to factor in the highlighted bit in terms of stage of his career. Whichever it is, it's not good for club business and needs sorting unless it improves very quickly; and that starts in the Premiership on Monday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panther1997 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 3 hours ago, jimg said: Big mistake not replacing Hans in ht 13 with Barker or Summers jimg I mentioned this on the Meeting thread, its either poor management or Hans must have a contract that says he must ride in all 4 heats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 At least the Easter Monday start time has been changed to avoid the footie clash! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 My information is the track grading at the interval changed the circuit considerably to the detriment of the home side. I am sure that Hans has nothing in his contract to state he has to have 4 rides, it’s worth remembering that he was well out of pocket last night as he earned nothing from last night and still had expenses to pay out. i am confident Hans will sort it, rather like Bjerre and Barker did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said: My information is the track grading at the interval changed the circuit considerably to the detriment of the home side. I am sure that Hans has nothing in his contract to state he has to have 4 rides, it’s worth remembering that he was well out of pocket last night as he earned nothing from last night and still had expenses to pay out. i am confident Hans will sort it, rather like Bjerre and Barker did. Whilst normally very well informed on many matters if you expect everyone to believe that Hans turns up on solely a paid per point basis you are barmy. Of course he had expenses to pay out but like any sane rider of a much lower level will be turning up with a pay guarantee as a minimum despite not scoring a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Bratley Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 40 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Whilst normally very well informed on many matters if you expect everyone to believe that Hans turns up on solely a paid per point basis you are barmy. Of course he had expenses to pay out but like any sane rider of a much lower level will be turning up with a pay guarantee as a minimum despite not scoring a point. Believe it. I wrote his contract. It is extremely rare for a rider to have a minimum guarantee. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 51 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Whilst normally very well informed on many matters if you expect everyone to believe that Hans turns up on solely a paid per point basis you are barmy. Of course he had expenses to pay out but like any sane rider of a much lower level will be turning up with a pay guarantee as a minimum despite not scoring a point. It appears I am not barmy after all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 No guarantee per meet but maybe a decent amount up front as a signing on fee ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 21 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said: It appears I am not barmy after all. You have my apology and your well informed strike rate continues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Bratley Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, semion said: No guarantee per meet but maybe a decent amount up front as a signing on fee ? Nope and in 2019 that is also a rarity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, Mick Bratley said: Nope and in 2019 that is also a rarity. So with no minimum guaranteed earnings a night & no signing fee's, restrictions on sponsor logo colours, requirements to arrive with 2 good spec bike the clubs are holding the cards. Obviously Kevlars & covers are club funded, vans likely supplied but otherwise the riders have to rely on a substantial per point rate to make it worthwhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimg Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 41 minutes ago, Mick Bratley said: Believe it. I wrote his contract. It is extremely rare for a rider to have a minimum guarantee. Hi Mick only stated this , never seen Hans have 3 rides like he had , trying like mad ,but no speed , and heat 13 was so important with 14 and 15 they had Schlein, Scotty, Masters and Howarth , in the mix , and our reserves had to take on their top scorers in 14 etc but thanks to Tungate `s brillianf ride we won, Hans has always been one of My wife and I favourite riders and feel sure as you say will sort it out soon. ps ,Nice to hear you are still about. jimg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Bratley Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: So with no minimum guaranteed earnings a night & no signing fee's, restrictions on sponsor logo colours, requirements to arrive with 2 good spec bike the clubs are holding the cards. Obviously Kevlars & covers are club funded, vans likely supplied but otherwise the riders have to rely on a substantial per point rate to make it worthwhile. Surely it is right that the club holds the cards, they are after all the employers? Club supplies Kevlars and covers. Hans’ van is not supplied by the club, it is provided by a sponsor who sponsored the club when I was involved. Points money hasn’t really changed in 15 years, but crucially the cost of flights is lower than 15 years ago. With regards colours of sponsors logos, it’s nothing new we did it in 2006, white on a red background stands out much better than any other colour, surely the aim is to get sponsors logos to be seen, having them white achieves this better than any other colour. I don’t see the issue. Edited April 12, 2019 by Mick Bratley 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Bratley Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 3 hours ago, jimg said: Hi Mick only stated this , never seen Hans have 3 rides like he had , trying like mad ,but no speed , and heat 13 was so important with 14 and 15 they had Schlein, Scotty, Masters and Howarth , in the mix , and our reserves had to take on their top scorers in 14 etc but thanks to Tungate `s brillianf ride we won, Hans has always been one of My wife and I favourite riders and feel sure as you say will sort it out soon. ps ,Nice to hear you are still about. jimg Jim. Hope you and the wife are well. Don’t worry he will get things sorted, he’s beating himself up right now and is feeling embarrassed. These things happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 No doubt he'll find his form against Poole on Monday?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted April 12, 2019 Report Share Posted April 12, 2019 17 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: No doubt he'll find his form against Poole on Monday?! I think everybody hopes that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted April 13, 2019 Report Share Posted April 13, 2019 Looking forward to Monday. I work in the Lynch Wood area and will be heading to the Showground. Will arrive early so Jack Holder gets the reception he deserves. A Panthers legend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted April 13, 2019 Report Share Posted April 13, 2019 13 hours ago, Mick Bratley said: With regards colours of sponsors logos, it’s nothing new we did it in 2006, white on a red background stands out much better than any other colour, surely the aim is to get sponsors logos to be seen, having them white achieves this better than any other colour. I don’t see the issue. 20 riders and many fans don't see the issue either. Looks superb in mine and many others opinion... just seems one individual has the issue.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 13, 2019 Report Share Posted April 13, 2019 And Tru Plant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted April 13, 2019 Report Share Posted April 13, 2019 8 hours ago, JeremyCorbynFan said: Looking forward to Monday. I work in the Lynch Wood area and will be heading to the Showground. Will arrive early so Jack Holder gets the reception he deserves. A Panthers legend. That's handy. I started in Lynchwood on April 1st and do get a bit stuck sometimes for lunch. Where is your McDonalds? 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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