Halifaxtiger Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, george.m said: Maybe you've not fully digested Peter's statement, or understood the relevant parts. Joe's actions went beyond the realms of Glasgow Tigers speedway. Allied Vehicles are a major employer in Glasgow - they employ over 600 people. Their reputation was put at risk with the hotel chain, the Chief Fire officer and the significant number of hotel guests who had to evacuate their rooms and stand in a car park in the middle of the night. I'm confident some, if not significantly more, of those guests would have been complaining at reception the next morning. So if you were the Glasgow promotion and weighed up the full extent of Joe's actions and the potential impact on your major business - would the availability of a replacement rider be in the forefront of your mind? I very much doubt it. The point made by Geoff is not a totally unreasonable one. I certainly think that the effect on the speedway team would be taken into account when any decision was made. To turn your position round, say you had an outstanding starlet almost guaranteed to put 3 points on his average - and league titles are won by such riders - and his replacement was a 2.00 rider who would stay as a 2.00 rider. Can you say for definite that the reaction would have been the same or that it would have been if this were Craig Cook ? Edited February 24, 2019 by Halifaxtiger 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 8 hours ago, Endeavour said: Would Joe Lawlor have been sacked if there was not a rider of Bickley’s potential available? I'd like to think that any club would've acted in similar fashion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 (edited) End of the day. Lawlor was at his work place so to speak. Got very drunk and caused some aggro. Most if not all people would get sacked from there employers if you was to do something similar. It's very unfortunate for Joe and very lucky for Kyle. As it goes I do think Kyle would eventually have gone to Glasgow but I'm pretty sure Glasgow was going to wait till 1, see if chessell was fit enough to start season if not Kyle would be in. Or 2, they would have give both lads the first month and if 1 of them struggled then kyle would have been in. But I bet the other 8 or so clubs would have done the exact same thing to which ever reserve started poorly. So good luck Kyle and lets hope little Joe learns from this, he wont make the same mistake again Edited February 24, 2019 by Phil The Ace 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byker Biker Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 9 hours ago, Paulco said: A breach of club discipline would in most cases result in this happening with any promotion regardless of who was or wasn't available Unfortunately Paul it doesn't and that is why these young lads don't understand the consequences of their actions when having a laugh. The trend is to sweep it under the carpet or laugh with them. Imagine the frustration as a sponsor when your team or team members choose not to wear the corporate image or race jackets are removed before photographs are taken? I sponsored a team who won a trophy on a hot day and all but one of the riders had removed their race jacket and 2 had rolled their race suit down to their waist revealing the sleeveless under garments on a rostrum photograph that appeared in SS. My boss was was really impressed and asked me how he could put that on the boardroom wall. Glasgow are to be commended for their investment and commitment to professionalism, when the sport is full of corporate bodies we might then attract major sponsors, blue chip names and wider media coverage, until then it's the egg and spoon race run by the Village Fete Committee. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 7 hours ago, george.m said: Maybe you've not fully digested Peter's statement, or understood the relevant parts. Joe's actions went beyond the realms of Glasgow Tigers speedway. Allied Vehicles are a major employer in Glasgow - they employ over 600 people. Their reputation was put at risk with the hotel chain, the Chief Fire officer and the significant number of hotel guests who had to evacuate their rooms and stand in a car park in the middle of the night. I'm confident some, if not significantly more, of those guests would have been complaining at reception the next morning. So if you were the Glasgow promotion and weighed up the full extent of Joe's actions and the potential impact on your major business - would the availability of a replacement rider be in the forefront of your mind? I very much doubt it. I stand by what i said and as others have said had it have been anyone else what the actions have been the same. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 1 hour ago, geoff100 said: I stand by what i said and as others have said had it have been anyone else what the actions have been the same. You can speculate all you want but the facts are there for all to see , nobody can answer the question with any degree of certainty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 Joe can only look at this as a opportunity missed in his speedway career, a bit silly of him IMO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byker Biker Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, geoff100 said: I stand by what i said and as others have said had it have been anyone else what the actions have been the same. To be fair Geoff, Kyle has battered them for a job since the Worky announcement but that should have put the Glasgow reserves on their best behaviour, changes have been made on the eve of the season many times before. Edited February 24, 2019 by Byker Biker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gazc said: You can speculate all you want but the facts are there for all to see , nobody can answer the question with any degree of certainty. You should be able to. After all, if there is a code of club conduct then the same punishment should apply to whoever breaks it - regardless of seniority, ability or any other factor. Otherwise its near useless and worse can be seen as merely an inconsistent management tool to punish those who faces for what ever reason do not fit. Edited February 24, 2019 by Halifaxtiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 5 hours ago, geoff100 said: I stand by what i said and as others have said had it have been anyone else what the actions have been the same. Thought you would. No surprise there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Byker Biker said: To be fair Geoff, Kyle has battered them for a job since the Worky announcement but that should have put the Glasgow reserves on their best behaviour, changes have been made on the eve of the season many times before. err ,didnt Kyle turn down Glasgow and signed for workington in 2019 because he wanted to reward the club for sticking with him in his debut season. ? not a good start to 2018 for him , but the club stayed loyal to Kyle and he came into form for the play off and other finals . . beating some high end riders into the bargain as well .... even the son of god ! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 50 minutes ago, jenga said: err ,didnt Kyle turn down Glasgow and signed for workington in 2019 because he wanted to reward the club for sticking with him in his debut season. ? not a good start to 2018 for him , but the club stayed loyal to Kyle and he came into form for the play off and other finals . . beating some high end riders into the bargain as well .... even the son of god ! Who Jesus didnt know he rode speedway J. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 1 hour ago, jenga said: err ,didnt Kyle turn down Glasgow and signed for workington in 2019 because he wanted to reward the club for sticking with him in his debut season. ? not a good start to 2018 for him , but the club stayed loyal to Kyle and he came into form for the play off and other finals . . beating some high end riders into the bargain as well .... even the son of god ! As Kyle said last night at the Tigers Supporters meeting - it was his plan to spend two years at Workington, one to develop, understand the track and build his confidence, the second to capitalise on the first. His words, not mine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 7 hours ago, Gazc said: Who Jesus didnt know he rode speedway J. wasnt he the one that had a triumph in the desert , or was it Remi Moses ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 24, 2019 Report Share Posted February 24, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 9:57 PM, Endeavour said: Would Joe Lawlor have been sacked if there was not a rider of Bickley’s potential available? Does it matter ? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 Glasgow have saved speedway as a whole a lot of time and money. I'd be surprised if we see Lawlor on a bike again as the dedication is massively lacking. He didn't really serve any proper apprenticeship and just lucked in at Belle Vue, he rides without a great deal of style or brains and is no particular loss. The sport is changing and the likes of Bickley will progress in a professional way and the likes of Lawlor will follow the paths of Bridger, JPB etc 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said: You should be able to. After all, if there is a code of club conduct then the same punishment should apply to whoever breaks it - regardless of seniority, ability or any other factor. Otherwise its near useless and worse can be seen as merely an inconsistent management tool to punish those who faces for what ever reason do not fit. Any code of conduct and disciplinary procedure at any organisation should always be kept in house , the fact the Glasgow Management had to explain there decision on social media is rare but a sad reflection on the reasons they felt they had to. Inconsistent management is one that cannot be used to describe the Glasgow Promotion every single person employed at any level of the club know there duties and what is expected of them. And have no doubt it is not a case of being selective on who gets disciplined all would be treated the same , this unfortunate incident is down to Joe, it appears if he had accepted his error and apologised he would still be here. In his wisdom he decided to argue the fact with all and sundry it is down to him and him alone that he has lost his place, and have no doubt the same would apply to any of the other riders. Edited February 25, 2019 by Gazc 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 Shame the lad doesn’t have a ride in NL to fall back on. I expect that situation to change as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 10:20 PM, Midget said: Hahahahahahahaha. An none of us seen that coming did We? What a joke of a club Glasgow have become. I will be visiting northern clubs this year after the comets demise, Glasgow will 100% not be one of them, I simply do not agree with how it's run. Feel sorry for the young lad they signed I the 1st place. This and other posts about the decision made by our club at the weekend hammers home why you should never let hatred get in the way of the truth as this is what happens. That right Blobby. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 14 hours ago, Tsunami said: Does it matter ? Does to them apparently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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