Glasgow 2019 Onwards

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

1 hour ago, Paulco said:

If it meant seeing a better standard of riders racing against each other , then yes . Wasnt too many years ago the points limit was 45 . 

When the limit was 45 new riders from elsewhere were coming in on 7 and 9 and Brits on 3

Now its 4 and 5 with Brits on 2

A couple of those in a side and 38 becomes an old 45 anyway

[Tigerforever]

Plus teams were built with bonus points back then which added another 2/3 points on to the actual team averages 

[Heedthebaw]

28 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

When the limit was 45 new riders from elsewhere were coming in on 7 and 9 and Brits on 3

Now its 4 and 5 with Brits on 2

A couple of those in a side and 38 becomes an old 45 anyway

 

4 minutes ago, Tigerforever said:

Plus teams were built with bonus points back then which added another 2/3 points on to the actual team averages 

Two very good and valid posts

[cheggie]

Is it possible for anyone to confirm from the side that finished the season, who would be eligible for the 2.5% reduction? Would Kerr get a reduction on his 7.18?
Thanks in advance :)

[jenga]

6 minutes ago, cheggie said:

Is it possible for anyone to confirm from the side that finished the season, who would be eligible for the 2.5% reduction? Would Kerr get a reduction on his 7.18?
Thanks in advance

i think all brits get the reduction , apart from the 2 pointers and set averagw guys (newbies)

[Heedthebaw]

13 minutes ago, cheggie said:

Is it possible for anyone to confirm from the side that finished the season, who would be eligible for the 2.5% reduction? Would Kerr get a reduction on his 7.18?
Thanks in advance

As I understand it, ( not saying I’m right ) it’s any rider who at any time has come through the National / Conference Leagues 

[cheggie]

13 minutes ago, jenga said:

i think all brits get the reduction , apart from the 2 pointers and set averagw guys (newbies)

 

5 minutes ago, Heedthebaw said:

As I understand it, ( not saying I’m right ) it’s any rider who at any time has come through the National / Conference Leagues 

Thanks for the replies.

I thought it was the later, as the AGM statement said -

To support the progression of riders who have progressed through the National Development League, all riders will receive a 2.5% reduction in their average

But I am just not sure who this would be applicable to.....

[cheggie]

7 minutes ago, cheggie said:

 

 

Thanks for the replies.

I thought it was the later, as the AGM statement said -

To support the progression of riders who have progressed through the National Development League, all riders will receive a 2.5% reduction in their average

But I am just not sure who this would be applicable to.....

Would this be correct?

Craig Cook	y (Buxton)
Chris Harris	?
Claus Vissing	n/a
Paul Starke	y (Buxton)
James Sargeant	y (dudley)
Nathan Greaves	y (dudley)
Jack Thomas	y (kent)

[StevePark]

8 minutes ago, cheggie said:

Would this be correct?

Craig Cook	y (Buxton)
Chris Harris	?
Claus Vissing	n/a
Paul Starke	y (Buxton)
James Sargeant	y (dudley)
Nathan Greaves	y (dudley)
Jack Thomas	y (kent)

Chris Harris rode for St Austell in the Conference League in 1998 aged 15.

[cheggie]

1 minute ago, StevePark said:

Chris Harris rode for St Austell in the Conference League in 1998 aged 15.

Thank you! Just trying to do some digging, and work at the same time.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

Drew Kemp to be a Tiger in 2019!!

 

Unfotunately for Glasgow it will be the Sheffield variety

[Tsunami]

5 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

Drew Kemp to be a Tiger in 2019!!

 

Unfotunately for Glasgow it will be the Sheffield variety

Has Ipswich signed him and loaned him to Sheffield for 2019 ? 

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

1 minute ago, Tsunami said:

Has Ipswich signed him and loaned him to Sheffield for 2019 ? 

It was confirmed when he rode for us that his registration is now held by the Witches

Reports locally are that Drew doesnt qualify to ride in the Premiership (although other info contadicts this)

Championship is the right choice for Drew IMO

[Paulco]

6 hours ago, Heedthebaw said:

 

Two very good and valid posts

They are and they put forward their opinions very well and i do get where they are coming from . 

But i just feel such a drastic cut in the points limit is going to make life difficult for some riders and also short changing the paying public . For a sport that seems permanently on life support , i dont see how watering down the product is the way to achieve an upturn in it's fortunes . 

I hope i'm wrong , but i fear a downturn in the level of performers in our league will eventually have a further negative impact on crowd levels . 

I mean no disrespect to the riders i mention , but are people not more likely to make an effort to go to the track to watch Craig Cook or Nick Morris or Steve and Richie Worrall or Danny King rather than Kevin Doolan or Ludvig Lindgren or Simon Lambert . 

I've no doubt that the admission prices wont reflect the dropping of the level the riders on show , so i have my doubts about dropping to 38 points will help the sport in any way . Yes in the short term it will save promotions money , but long term do we keep watering down and watering down . 

It's going to be a make or break year for league speedway at a few venues . 

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

I do understand your concerns Paulco and indeed Ive said that the change in strengths is one of the reasons Im happy that Ipswich have moved up

[TotallyHonestJohn]

19 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

I do understand your concerns Paulco and indeed Ive said that the change in strengths is one of the reasons Im happy that Ipswich have moved up

Honestly bruv

Paulco needn't worry after spending all weekend and some 100 plus texts sorting a contract out for a rider who finally agreed  a deal on the Saturday night only to renege on the Sunday with a text obviously written out for him by a third party sums up a great deal of what this sport is about.

Glasgow's woes are crocodile tears, I had genuine sympathy for the fans when the promotion put out the press release they did however it was utter "hydraulics" and if this jeopardises my application for my promoters ticket so be it however I am less than impressed with the way things are operating.

I will hold my counsel for the present however there will be more to follow and the truth is stranger than fact or fiction, in fact you couldn't make it up and it actually threatens the existence of a club as a business, honestly...

Regards
THJ

[SharpenRake]

20 hours ago, Paulco said:

They are and they put forward their opinions very well and i do get where they are coming from . 

But i just feel such a drastic cut in the points limit is going to make life difficult for some riders and also short changing the paying public . For a sport that seems permanently on life support , i dont see how watering down the product is the way to achieve an upturn in it's fortunes . 

I hope i'm wrong , but i fear a downturn in the level of performers in our league will eventually have a further negative impact on crowd levels . 

I mean no disrespect to the riders i mention , but are people not more likely to make an effort to go to the track to watch Craig Cook or Nick Morris or Steve and Richie Worrall or Danny King rather than Kevin Doolan or Ludvig Lindgren or Simon Lambert . 

I've no doubt that the admission prices wont reflect the dropping of the level the riders on show , so i have my doubts about dropping to 38 points will help the sport in any way . Yes in the short term it will save promotions money , but long term do we keep watering down and watering down . 

It's going to be a make or break year for league speedway at a few venues . 

I'm not even sure it will save money as the 5 point guys will now be able to ask for more £s per point. They will also score more cause of the lower standard and probably increase their average meaning next year they will be unemployable and the sorry cycle starts again. Can't help thinking that some promoters are still being conned by those in the know. I have heard that some owners believed that 6 man teams had been agreed with a 36 point average and they had started working towards that.  But at the AGM some clubs changed there mind and we end up with 7 man teams and a 38 point average.  This has meant tear up all the deals you had drafted or run with two 2 point men at reserve which would be suicide. Remarkably at least one club seems to have anticipated the 7 man/38 point limit and has signed 4 riders already. No doubt others will start gazumping other clubs in order to now get a team that fits. A nice example of all clubs working together and keeping costs down!

[Tsunami]

17 minutes ago, SharpenRake said:

I'm not even sure it will save money as the 5 point guys will now be able to ask for more £s per point. They will also score more cause of the lower standard and probably increase their average meaning next year they will be unemployable and the sorry cycle starts again. Can't help thinking that some promoters are still being conned by those in the know. I have heard that some owners believed that 6 man teams had been agreed with a 36 point average and they had started working towards that.  But at the AGM some clubs changed there mind and we end up with 7 man teams and a 38 point average.  This has meant tear up all the deals you had drafted or run with two 2 point men at reserve which would be suicide. Remarkably at least one club seems to have anticipated the 7 man/38 point limit and has signed 4 riders already. No doubt others will start gazumping other clubs in order to now get a team that fits. A nice example of all clubs working together and keeping costs down!

Promoters know, it's not agree till it's all agreed. If they move early, and get caught out, so be it, but I find it hard to believe that a team that signs 3 or 4 riders can't refocus and still sign decent riders to make up to 7 instead of 6 riders. 

Always happened, and will always be that way. We lost a top heat leader about 2 years ago after he had done the deal, but within days he was contacted by a rich club with slightly higher terms, but with a great sign-on agreement. We agreed to match the terms, but could not deliver the sign-ons so off he went and lost his place sometime afterwards 

[SharpenRake]

18 hours ago, Tsunami said:

Promoters know, it's not agree till it's all agreed. If they move early, and get caught out, so be it, but I find it hard to believe that a team that signs 3 or 4 riders can't refocus and still sign decent riders to make up to 7 instead of 6 riders. 

Always happened, and will always be that way. We lost a top heat leader about 2 years ago after he had done the deal, but within days he was contacted by a rich club with slightly higher terms, but with a great sign-on agreement. We agreed to match the terms, but could not deliver the sign-ons so off he went and lost his place sometime afterwards 

Well that's ok then and clearly this approach of being caught out by believing what others have said followed by gazumping works. Still think clubs could try and work together and try and keep costs down. Interesting that you could match the terms of the rich club so obviously you must be rich as well Think the whole scenario you mention is a bit rich.

[Tsunami]

32 minutes ago, SharpenRake said:

Well that's ok then and clearly this approach of being caught out by believing what others have said followed by gazumping works. Still think clubs could try and work together and try and keep costs down. Interesting that you could match the terms of the rich club so obviously you must be rich as well Think the whole scenario you mention is a bit rich.

Rubbish. Matching the terms, but not affording the expensive add ons does not make the club rich.