Gazc Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, cinderfella said: What a load of short-sighted, jealous folk there are about calling themselves speedway fans and gloating because a team's owners comes out and makes a statement. Sure Glasgow spent on trying to put a winning team together but what a lot of folk so blinkered they can't see past their own team is that the Glasgow Promotion also invested heavily in the community around Ashfield. When they bought the stadium they also guaranteed the continuation of the areas junior (equivalent of English non-league) football team and the money spent on the work on the stadium was mostly done by local companies employing local people. Yeah if the Facenna's walk away because of losses it's more than speedway that loses out. Think about the greater picture rather than gloat!!! If the Faceennas walk there will be a whole load of panty wetters on here foaming at the mouth preaching there bile. They cant help themselves jamlad being the latest , but his need to gloat at this statement is more important than the potential closure of his own club. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Solidmango said: What is the alternative? We can't afford to pay the riders in a 7 man team as it is, they have a squad system in Poland to avoid the issue you point out, that's never going to happen in this country with attendances/revenue the way it is just now. I can't imagine many people saying, I'm not going to watch speedway any more because we have to get a guest rider, from another club, due to injury/absence. I've got to be honest, so many people on here/social media are very critical of the BSPA/SCB and slate decisions that have been made but very rarely come up with a solution to the existing problems. I on the other hand can imagine many people saying I am not going because of guest riders.... In fact I would suggest many, many thousand no longer go because they feel "what's the point"? Who cares who wins titles in Britain? None have any kudos the way they are delivered. The reason why there is no alternative to guests is because there is now a fundamental need for the teams to keep costs down by sharing riders, rather than sign cover for absences, and a need for riders to earn as much money as they can by taking as many rides as they can, regardless of what colours they ride in... If Poland ever went down the same operating model route as the BSPA uses, and ran leagues devoid of credibility then I can guarantee that they too would have a sport on its arse.... No big money from TV, no national media coverage, no big company sponsorships and no big attendances would be the ultimate result they would deliver.. Just like we have over here.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 Is it co-incidence that this statement came out on the opening day of the promoter's conference ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamlad Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gazc said: Karma for what i really cant get my head round that comment. Our promotion have done a lot wrong i agree but they also have done an awful lot right. But the attitude you show that you would rather gloat and wind fellow speedway fans up says a lot more about you. If i suspect you support Workington i would never consider gloating on a club that may not come to tspes next year but as i say it says more about you that you feel the need to gloat. And you really have the cheek to say other fans gloat ? Look no further than your fellow fans , not so long back on threads on here they were all there revelling in the fact Workington might not be running next season , etc etc etc .... but hey your big guns didn’t come to the party, who the promotion had invested in heavily and you are where you are . Like every other team ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, mikebv said: If Poland ever went down the same operating model route as the BSPA uses, and ran leagues devoid of credibility then I can guarantee that they too would have a sport on its arse.... No big money from TV, no national media coverage, no big company sponsorships and no big attendances would be the ultimate result they would deliver.. Just like we have over here.. Chicken and the egg thou surely ...Easy to run a league with credibility when you hold all the aces just like when we did back in the day .. ive not seen anyone come up with any answers to solve the problems we have here bar keep making the standard lower, a plan not worked for the last 20 years . The moment guests were try to be cut down on people wanted to go back to having more guests within a week ,it would be the same with one big league . Edited November 13, 2018 by orion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, jamlad said: And you really have the cheek to say other fans gloat ? Look no further than your fellow fans , not so long back on threads on here they were all there revelling in the fact Workington might not be running next season , etc etc etc .... but hey your big guns didn’t come to the party, who the promotion had invested in heavily and you are where you are . Like every other team ! So your not gloating what made me think you were. Maybe because you were and now you say its beacause some Glasgow fans were doing likewise weeks ago . So what your saying is 2 wrongs do make a right ,your a hoot you. Oh and just for the record i do not condone what some fellow fans posted on the thread you refer to. Edited November 12, 2018 by Gazc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted November 12, 2018 Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 I think that you only have to see the type of riders that Glasgow have signed over the present Promotion's time as owners of the club to realise the the type of budget's been pumped into the club. Unfortunately the big spending demands big success and this has not really happened for the club, and I always fear for the Glasgow supporters that this day would come around sometime unless they got that success. Lets hope that a solution can be found and the club does not go out of business, maybe if budgets were reduced things could get better financial and keep the Promotion at the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, spin king said: I think that you only have to see the type of riders that Glasgow have signed over the present Promotion's time as owners of the club to realise the the type of budget's been pumped into the club. Unfortunately the big spending demands big success and this has not really happened for the club, and I always fear for the Glasgow supporters that this day would come around sometime unless they got that success. Lets hope that a solution can be found and the club does not go out of business, maybe if budgets were reduced things could get better financial and keep the Promotion at the club. It's not over yet, or it could be part of the masterplan were they rent the stadium out to the homeless Monarchs in 2020 they re-invent themselves as the lets say Scottish Monarchs , we in turn rebuild with the astronomical rent being charged and they in turn perform to massive crowds of 87 and 2 dogs. We return in 2022 with the coffers replenished ready for another 3 years of overspending and winning hee haw but it was good whilst it lasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadcol Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 money cant buy everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragdoll64 Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, spin king said: I think that you only have to see the type of riders that Glasgow have signed over the present Promotion's time as owners of the club to realise the the type of budget's been pumped into the club. Did Glasgow not do just exactly what EVERY other club would have done if they'd had the same budget to play with? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, orion said: Chicken and the egg thou surely ...Easy to run a league with credibility when you hold all the aces just like when we did back in the day .. ive not seen anyone come up with any answers to solve the problems we have here bar keep making the standard lower, a plan not worked for the last 20 years . The moment guests were try to be cut down on people wanted to go back to having more guests within a week ,it would be the same with one big league . No plan can ever work without an independent body/person controlling it with a 100% mandate from all concerned to make abiding decisions.. A major issue the sport has is that rules change so quickly, and are manipulated continuously, simply because they can be changed on a whim. No business can sustain success with an operating model that so constantly moves all over the place on an adhoc basis. Particularly when those making the adhoc changes have a vested interest in the outcome.. Guests are allowed because they always have been. Too easy to keep doing the same old, same old. Fixed race nights reduced them but absolutely 'loads' we're still used, (and as we saw with the fixture changes, are now an integral part of the operating model), so it could have been regarded as a ' bit better'.. Similar to being sat at the very back of a plane as it crashes into a mountain I would suggest... A 'bit better' but it won't really be of any use in the grand scheme of things.... If you cannot run any sport properly then your probably best not doing it at all. And a team sport even more so given the emotional attachment you need from your fanbase.. But if you do decide to run a team sport, and instead of running it properly you choose a haphazard set of rules to follow, which destroys the very credibility of the sport, then never be surprised you struggle to get people to follow you... The sport needs a root and branch investigation into it to form a 'proper plan of action'. Done on a national level by people with no vested interest in the sport. And then ran by an independent body to maintain discipline, consistency and integrity... The same way as all 'proper' sports are ran.. Edited November 13, 2018 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz !!! Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 Just managed to read the article in full, like Paulco I was surprised to see it raise so soon after the AGM had started and indeed wondered why. I was also surprised to read 'To help secure the club’s future, we are looking for volunteers across the whole club who can help with any activity from promoting, fundraising, working in the ticket office, selling food and beverage, selling programmes or 50/50 tickets, track staff, sponsorship sales, as well as off-season volunteers.' Workington have been doing this for years and we still find ourselves struggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 There is absolutely no reason to be losing over £100,000 a year in speedway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevcfc Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, Woz01 said: There is absolutely no reason to be losing over £100,000 a year in speedway. Workington lost a similar amount by all accounts. Success on track didn't generally lead to the required increase in attendances, coupled to more outlay (points money) and no prize money the losses soon mount up. Although with losses at these sort of levels it does beg the question of how much tracks really can afford to pay riders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byker Biker Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 What isn't being recognised here is that Glasgow have put there money where there mouth is, on all threads everybody's solution to the sport's ills has been to "Promote" the sport. Get involved with the community, posters, radio, bus backs mailshots, kids clubs and more, Glasgow have done that they've tried to grow their attendance to a sustainable level and they have taken some very good riders to Ashfield. It hasn't worked and they now find themselves in the same difficulties as everyone else with no clear solution, for me the writing has been on the wall since the beginning of 2017 when crowds dropped back to the previous promotion's levels and that is when the cloth should have been cut accordingly IMHO not 2019. They got it wrong as far as managing their costs are concerned but don't be harsh on them for trying and next time somebody posts all the answers to getting more people through the turnstile point them in Glasgow's direction, there is no magic formula all the advertising posters in the local chippy will not save Speedway. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Liz !!! said: Just managed to read the article in full, like Paulco I was surprised to see it raise so soon after the AGM had started and indeed wondered why. I was also surprised to read 'To help secure the club’s future, we are looking for volunteers across the whole club who can help with any activity from promoting, fundraising, working in the ticket office, selling food and beverage, selling programmes or 50/50 tickets, track staff, sponsorship sales, as well as off-season volunteers.' Workington have been doing this for years and we still find ourselves struggling. We already have volunteers doing that kind of stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Liz !!! said: Just managed to read the article in full, like Paulco I was surprised to see it raise so soon after the AGM had started and indeed wondered why. I was also surprised to read 'To help secure the club’s future, we are looking for volunteers across the whole club who can help with any activity from promoting, fundraising, working in the ticket office, selling food and beverage, selling programmes or 50/50 tickets, track staff, sponsorship sales, as well as off-season volunteers.' Workington have been doing this for years and we still find ourselves struggling. Most clubs daily and race night activities are run by volunteers . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 12 hours ago, leander said: Yes but the difference is Local Councils in Poland invest hugely (some over 30%) in a teams annual income, not to mention local businesses. Most of the stadium upgrades over the last few years in Poland have been funded by Local Councils and, I would suggest, clubs pay next to no rent. Some of this money is almost certainly come from the EU!!!! Oh for our various councils to input even a fraction of what they do in Poland. Exactly, how many British councils would Ever invest in speedway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 Is it Speedway Stadia that The Councils in Poland invest in ? How many stand alone Speedway Stadiums do we have in the UK. Wouldn't look great if Local Councils were seen to invest for example in Greyhounds Tracks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedwayNeutral Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) This may strike an accord with Glasgow. I do hope they continue to run for many years, but i can't help thinking if over the past few years instead of flashing the cash at big riders and producing well payed teams (granted thats the way a club should be run with money!) But if they didnt flash the big bucks and focused on a more sustainable plan for the future such as building a balanced and budgeted team without huge demands then this type of statment might have been dampened or totally avoided in my opinion. Edited November 13, 2018 by SpeedwayNeutral 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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