racers and royals Posted December 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mark said: Glad we agreed it was 2 not 10. Agree the Polish could have scheduled the Friday program better, worked with the GP's, but it's not the massive issue some are making it to be. Get on with it and find solutions. Maybe the new TV deal is allowing clubs to pay the riders more money ? What we can agree on is that the new TV deal is behind this !! All 4 matches per round televised between 2 companies - and i suppose with N Sport wanting to keep the prime Sunday slots, for continuity over the 14 rounds,Friday`s were the only day for Eleven sport TV fixtures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, racers and royals said: What we can agree on is that the new TV deal is behind this !! All 4 matches per round televised between 2 companies - and i suppose with N Sport wanting to keep the prime Sunday slots, for continuity over the 14 rounds,Friday`s were the only day for Eleven sport TV fixtures. When Premier League football was split between Sky and BT Sport more money came into the game in TV deals. Players earned loads more money and so did the clubs. I'd be very surprised if more money is not being generated by two TV deals in Poland. Every rider is now guaranteed a live TV slot each week which could increase personal sponsorship. There are plenty of positives if we look for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted December 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mark said: When Premier League football was split between Sky and BT Sport more money came into the game in TV deals. Players earned loads more money and so did the clubs. I'd be very surprised if more money is not being generated by two TV deals in Poland. Every rider is now guaranteed a live TV slot each week which could increase personal sponsorship. There are plenty of positives if we look for them. No doubt the Extraleague, the clubs and the riders will all be benefiting- this is from my post in the OP. This new contract for coverage of the Extraleague from 2019 to 2021 is reportedly worth 60 million PLN as against 25 million PLN for the period 2016-18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwright71 Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mark said: When Premier League football was split between Sky and BT Sport more money came into the game in TV deals. Players earned loads more money and so did the clubs. I'd be very surprised if more money is not being generated by two TV deals in Poland. Every rider is now guaranteed a live TV slot each week which could increase personal sponsorship. There are plenty of positives if we look for them. Plenty of positives for the Polish league. I think riders should be given the proper preparation time for a GP which gives them the option to practise or relax on a Friday. Not dashing from airports to GP venues on a Saturday afternoon. The riders talk about burnout, this won't make it any better. As with Sunday fixtures in Poland not been cancelled after a GP rain off well I wouldn't guarantee it. Rules can be changed as per practise and the Polish League now know the FIM is in a weak position , they effectively now control the riders and the schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 minute ago, racers and royals said: No doubt the Extraleague, the clubs and the riders will all be benefiting- this is from my post in the OP. This new contract for coverage of the Extraleague from 2019 to 2021 is reportedly worth 60 million PLN as against 25 million PLN for the period 2016-18. So the moans from riders, as Phililp Rising suggested, will in fact be loud cheers. Everyone will love Friday night racing as they'll be earning bigger salaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, iwright71 said: Plenty of positives for the Polish league. I think riders should be given the proper preparation time for a GP which gives them the option to practise or relax on a Friday. Not dashing from airports to GP venues on a Saturday afternoon. The riders talk about burnout, this won't make it any better. As with Sunday fixtures in Poland not been cancelled after a GP rain off well I wouldn't guarantee it. Rules can be changed as per practise and the Polish League now know the FIM is in a weak position , they effectively now control the riders and the schedule. It's 2 GP's only. Get on with it. The riders are earning more money. Edited December 30, 2018 by Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted January 15, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Lublin preparing for the Extraleague with big stadium plans for 2020.- Google translation. We've got to know the future of the stadium at Al. Zygmuntowski, on which riders from SPEED CAR Motor Lublin are competing. The new arena of struggle will be built in the previous location, and construction can start in 2020. Currently, work is underway to adapt the stadium to the requirements of PGE Ekstraliga - informs Kurier Lubelski. - The decision is already made. For the general modernization of the existing stadium at Al. Zygmuntowski is supported by the fact that we have a ready-made project of such an investment developed a few years ago. We will not develop a new project, we want to update this document to include all the necessary records, eg regarding all installations, energy networks and arrangements with institutions, eg the voivodeship conservator. This is an undeniable advantage of the option of rebuilding an existing stadium. Next year, we could initiate the procedure of selecting the contractor for the investment - said Katarzyna Duma, the President's spokesman for Lublin. The reconstruction of the stadium is to start in 2020 and will have around 17,000 spectators. Currently, works are in progress related to the preparation of the facility for the PGE Ekstraliga games in the 2019 season. - The most important task that the MOSiR is to carry out is to prepare the stadium for this year's season. We promised that the requirements of the league would be fulfilled and this would happen - said Duma. In addition to the Municipal Sports and Recreation Center, companies that want to do part of the work at the stadium where SPEED CAR Motor Lublin is to compete are registered. Out of six tasks, the stadium manager received offers for four of them: renewal of the starting machine, setting up an additional stand, demolition work and reconstruction of fences. The question of repairing the existing stands and building a pavement on their crown is underway. Additionally, in the nearest time, MOSiR should sign a contract for the repair of track drainage. The manager also chose a company that will mount a temporary tribune for supporters of visiting teams (minimum 290 seats). Miłosz Bednarczyk, spokesman for MOSiR Bystrzyca, also noted that one more tender is being prepared. - To adapt the lighting to the requirements agreed with PGE Ekstraliga. Currently, a photometric project is being developed, which will be a description of the subject of the contract - he said. SPEED CAR Motor Lublin will inaugurate the matches of the best speedway world league on April 7. Their opponent will be MRGARDEN GKM Grudziądz. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 12/29/2018 at 1:26 PM, PHILIPRISING said: IT'S not missing practice that is an issue.What happens when a rider actually misses a GP because he was injured the night before. And who replaces him or indeed them? What's the difference between a rider getting injured in Poland on the Friday to a rider getting injured in Sweden on the Thursday or in England on the Wednesday? If they are out injured on the Saturday, then they are injured. End of. What does it matter how long ago the injury was incured? And are memories so short as to forget that British Elite League teams used to ride on Fridays? What qualifies us to criticise anyone else for doing the same? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted January 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, uk_martin said: What's the difference between a rider getting injured in Poland on the Friday to a rider getting injured in Sweden on the Thursday or in England on the Wednesday? If they are out injured on the Saturday, then they are injured. End of. What does it matter how long ago the injury was incured? And are memories so short as to forget that British Elite League teams used to ride on Fridays? What qualifies us to criticise anyone else for doing the same? Because it`s about the Extraleague having no respect for anybody else other than themselves. They have the best riders in the world, and the best riders in the world want to prepare properly for their ulitimate aim - being World champion. There are plenty of other Friday`s they can use other than GP weekends. The FIM should have immediately scuppered their plans by ensuring riders are at practice the day before GP`s. 2 years ago the Extraleague even annoyed there own association(Polish PZM) by rearranging a league match for a Thursday when the Polish championships(IMP) qualifying was on- and the PZM had to cancel a round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, racers and royals said: Because it`s about the Extraleague having no respect for anybody else other than themselves. They have the best riders in the world, and the best riders in the world want to prepare properly for their ulitimate aim - being World champion. There are plenty of other Friday`s they can use other than GP weekends. The FIM should have immediately scuppered their plans by ensuring riders are at practice the day before GP`s. 2 years ago the Extraleague even annoyed there own association(Polish PZM) by rearranging a league match for a Thursday when the Polish championships(IMP) qualifying was on- and the PZM had to cancel a round. But on many occasions a complete round of Sunday Extraleague fixtures has been cancelled because a GP was rained off the previous evening. The GP being raced on that Sunday. Its not all one way traffic. Edited January 21, 2019 by Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mark said: But on many occasions a complete round of Sunday Extraleague fixtures has been cancelled because a GP was rained off the previous evening. The GP being raced on that Sunday. Its not all one way traffic. Indeed and Polish matches have also been called off when reserves/other team members are not available through postponed FIM Europe/other FIM events. Yet the Extraleague are happy to schedule matches the day after Cardiff at 4.30pm Polish time !! The Poles if they wanted to could avoid GP weekends for any fixtures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 21 hours ago, uk_martin said: What's the difference between a rider getting injured in Poland on the Friday to a rider getting injured in Sweden on the Thursday or in England on the Wednesday? If they are out injured on the Saturday, then they are injured. End of. What does it matter how long ago the injury was incured? And are memories so short as to forget that British Elite League teams used to ride on Fridays? What qualifies us to criticise anyone else for doing the same? say a rider gets ruled out on tuesday after crashing and compare that with a similar incident on friday evening. I’d be amazed if a GP substitute rider can dash to the GP with a 20h notice. For eaxample from anywhere in the UK to the other side of Europe... Most of them can do it in 4 days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, f-s-p said: say a rider gets ruled out on tuesday after crashing and compare that with a similar incident on friday evening. I’d be amazed if a GP substitute rider can dash to the GP with a 20h notice. For eaxample from anywhere in the UK to the other side of Europe... Most of them can do it in 4 days I've given an easy solution in reply to P.Rising's post on page 2 of this thread. It's not that hard to cover a Friday injury. Edited January 21, 2019 by Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 27 minutes ago, Mark said: I've given an easy solution in reply to P.Rising's post on page 2 of this thread. It's not that hard to cover a Friday injury. An easier solution is not to have Friday meetings. It's the World Championship we are talking about not some Mickey Mouse meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, PHILIPRISING said: An easier solution is not to have Friday meetings. It's the World Championship we are talking about not some Mickey Mouse meeting. Don't dispute that but the riders are earning more money, all meetings now on Live TV for sponsorship exposure so Friday's are here to stay in the Extraleague. Let's embrace and find simple solutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 12 hours ago, Mark said: I've given an easy solution in reply to P.Rising's post on page 2 of this thread. It's not that hard to cover a Friday injury. Yes U did. It was a good plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 5 hours ago, f-s-p said: Yes U did. It was a good plan. thanks. Liking the positivity which is unlike a few others on here who only want to find reasons not to do something different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 Pretty sure I watched BV race on a Friday night before the Bradford GP in 1990.. It was planned in that way to attract the foreign visitors over for the GP.. So nothing 'new' about this if it happens.. I suspect the Polish GP's will be similarly targeted to attract the overseas fans and boost the attendance of the League match.. The splitting of the TV contract will I am sure benefit the League, and therefore the riders, enormously, as more money comes into the Sport in Poland.. More chance for the riders to get themselves known to a wider sporting audience as every rider will be on TV every week.. We shouldn't knock Poland's 'power to do what they want' as their professional business and operating models give them that deserved status.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 3 hours ago, mikebv said: Pretty sure I watched BV race on a Friday night before the Bradford GP in 1990.. It was planned in that way to attract the foreign visitors over for the GP.. So nothing 'new' about this if it happens.. I suspect the Polish GP's will be similarly targeted to attract the overseas fans and boost the attendance of the League match.. The splitting of the TV contract will I am sure benefit the League, and therefore the riders, enormously, as more money comes into the Sport in Poland.. More chance for the riders to get themselves known to a wider sporting audience as every rider will be on TV every week.. We shouldn't knock Poland's 'power to do what they want' as their professional business and operating models give them that deserved status.. YOU are assuming that the Friday meetings are the night before an SGP round in Poland. Bradford is a lot closer to Manchester than Torun is to Krsko for example. And these aren't extra meetings ... just being staged on a Friday rather than a Saturday or Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: YOU are assuming that the Friday meetings are the night before an SGP round in Poland. Bradford is a lot closer to Manchester than Torun is to Krsko for example. And these aren't extra meetings ... just being staged on a Friday rather than a Saturday or Sunday. As has been said countless times by riders, the practice sessions seldom reflect track conditions in the GP itself.. And flying out the night before is quite normal for riders.. As for injuries, riders ride now the next day with lots of minor issues and only serious injuries mean their absence (concussion, broken limbs etc) and getting them the night before or the week before would mean they still miss the GP.. I am sure common sense will prevail with regards to fixture planning, especially given the huge potential for Polish clubs to get even bigger crowds swelled by 1000's of overseas visitors flying in for the GP... Conspiracy theory Alert! Should this be Poland's backers' 'back door' way of trying to take more control of the GP's by holding riders to ransom (so they have to make a choice), it will at least mean BSI have to stay on their toes and up their game with regards to the rewards riders get for competing... Which is currently quite poor when you measure it against Poland's salaries.. I would suspect most riders would take the Polish meetings regardless of whether this would impact their GP place or not, given the financial rewards both currently bring. Especially now with the increased TV exposure for their sponsors... Being able to tell every one of your sponsors that their name will be on live TV every week must be a huge positive for both riders and the clubs themselves.. Time for BSI maybe to make their GP series 'unmissable'? Edited January 23, 2019 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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