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7 minutes ago, singy13 said:

Surely though the riders must see they are doing damage to the overall existence of the sport by accepting silly terms?....basically they will eventually kill the goose that's laying their golden egg???

I guess they should, but I’d think that most don’t see it as their forever career. At some point they will retire and work a ‘normal’ job. Why not make as much now at their peak as they can. So maybe they only focus on now and not the future of the sport? 

I mean I don’t blame the riders, if I was being offered a job with a big fat pay cheque with added courtesy car, travel all expenses paid etc. Compared to a job I’d just accepted with minimum wage, I honestly would not turn it down. That would be crazy! But the real world does work differently to speedway so maybe I shouldn’t think of it that way! :lol:

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2 minutes ago, Gazc said:

The list of what is wrong with the sport is endless not just in demand overpaid riders.

We spoke about the crowd levels at Paisley in another thread we will never see the like of that again.

The what we do wrong list dwarfs the what we do right list and it grows ever wider, for people to continually lay blame with Glasgow is blinkered and wrong.

The damage was done well before the Facennas took over, spitting the dummy and stamping your feet and airing dirty linen on a forum wont change a thing.

Crowds will never return to the levels we talked of until the sport can somehow rid itself of the WWF/Circus sport reputation that none followers view it as............

.e.g. guests/doubling  up/down which makes it so laughable to the non converted.

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57 minutes ago, mac101 said:

So basically if the rider has signed on the dotted line for you you have him if not and you want him back but he wants to go somewhere else for a better deal he tells the bspa he wants to go to wherever and goes the riders does what he wants nothing new there move on 

Doesn't usually need to go to the BSPA, as the clubs settle in on the basis that a rider will go where he wants to go to. I get the impression that with the BSPA holding Rasmus's  registration that he might have been an asset of a defunct club and the BSPA then own the registration for administration purposes. Actually on the asset list, all foreign riders are under the column of BSPA riders as the BSPA are responsible for getting the "permission to ride" from the appropriate foreign federation even though they are owned by a club..

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11 hours ago, mac101 said:

So if you were offered more money and paid on time to move to a different company you would say no thanks happy with What I have 

When you have signed a contract that's it otherwise action is usually taken. You see it in football regularly. If the BSPA own the asset you go to them first THEY OWN THE ASSET it's not no one owns the rider the BSPA own him therefore you go to the owner of the asset first before you speak to the rider. 

They may know what the situation is with the rider and that he is available or they may not...

So then you go to the club who are using that asset to see what the situation is before you speak to the rider

The club can only say we are using him then you should back off or no fill your boots you can have him we are team building in a different direction.

You don't go to the rider and say "here mate we will double what you are getting now if you sign for us" it poisons the water and undermines everything else the club using that rider is trying to do. It also inflates the wage structure

He may have been on 50 quid a point at the first club but by circumventing the process you have immediately made a 50 quid a point rider think he's worth double that 

Where as if you had followed the process you would have said to the rider "mate we will give you 5 quid a point more than you were getting last year" he's happy you have saved 45 quid a point and when you drop him half way through or at the end of the season he isn't on this ego trip where he thinks he's worth 100 quid a point as a reserve.

But no some folk don't want to do that they want to ring every rider they can without following a process and say they will double their wages. Then pick the best 7 from the 27 they have had a go at and the other clubs can kiss their proverbial butts cos they want to do what they want to do...

Some attitude that eh!!!

Go for it I say and when there are 7 or 8 professional clubs left in the country and the rest are amateurs good on ya it's the "in maxim" these days "screw you I'm alright Jack"

Regards 

THJ 

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10 hours ago, Tsunami said:

Doesn't usually need to go to the BSPA, as the clubs settle in on the basis that a rider will go where he wants to go to. I get the impression that with the BSPA holding Rasmus's  registration that he might have been an asset of a defunct club and the BSPA then own the registration for administration purposes. Actually on the asset list, all foreign riders are under the column of BSPA riders as the BSPA are responsible for getting the "permission to ride" from the appropriate foreign federation even though they are owned by a club..

You are missing the point Dave and who mentioned anything about Rasmus? Certainly not me!!!

Also I know of certain riders who are owned by individuals under the banner of a club and loan fees go to the individuals.

The BSPA would sell assets of bankrupt and wound up clubs to raise funds however it would now appear that they might be looking to retain assets to generate funds through loan fees which is a good idea to my mind.

However clubs have always had to ask permission of the asset owner to speak to that asset. Whether that is a club an individual promoter or an association. What has been done in the past few years is sides jumping in and offering ridiculous an unsustainable contacts to riders without any consideration for the collective and the upheaval they are causing. Then they bitch about losing money, well Der, you are creating the problem for yourselves in you business approach.

Follow the rules ffs and you won't find yourself in this predicament

 

Regards

THJ 

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10 hours ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

You are missing the point Dave and who mentioned anything about Rasmus? Certainly not me!!!

Also I know of certain riders who are owned by individuals under the banner of a club and loan fees go to the individuals.

The BSPA would sell assets of bankrupt and wound up clubs to raise funds however it would now appear that they might be looking to retain assets to generate funds through loan fees which is a good idea to my mind.

However clubs have always had to ask permission of the asset owner to speak to that asset. Whether that is a club an individual promoter or an association. What has been done in the past few years is sides jumping in and offering ridiculous an unsustainable contacts to riders without any consideration for the collective and the upheaval they are causing. Then they bitch about losing money, well Der, you are creating the problem for yourselves in you business approach.

Follow the rules ffs and you won't find yourself in this predicament

 

Regards

THJ 

Not really John, as Rasmus was the point of discussion between Singy and mac101 earlier in the discussion.

Sheffield as was ?

That's how I bought Jesper in 1997.

Agreed.

 

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1 hour ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

OMG get the Tenna Men out I think I am going to wet myself

Where is it going to be announced Web Site? Facebook? Twitter? Unofficial Forum? Fans Forum?

The tension is palpable

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THJ

i think its Jake Allan !

thats opened a can of worms somewhere . :shock:

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24 minutes ago, jenga said:

i think its Jake Allan !

thats opened a can of worms somewhere . :shock:

He's been announced for Scunny man

Pick someone who hasn't been announced

Craig Cook Yeah...

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THJ

Oops, Sorry should read all the posts before I respond

So errrr what he said above!!!

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