StevePark Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 hours ago, A.N.Other said: I havent visited rough park for several years. There are two reasons...1. The track can be downright dangerous at times (just look at how many riders get injured there). 2. A section of the so called home "fans" are a disgrace to their club..they are compared to animals, due to their antagonistic attitude to visiting supporters, with them LAUGHING as a visiting rider is taken away by ambulance, swearing and making threats to away supporters etc etc. I am sorry if this offends genuine Diamonds fans, but it is a fact and I and my fellow Comets supporters have had experience of this quite often ! So you can understand why I am reluctant to visit ! I think I have to respond to both points. Number 1. You say it can be dangerous "at times." I'm guessing you've only been to the track when Workington have visited? Correct me if I'm wrong please. You're not there every week of the season, when the track can be near or absolutely perfect. Can you put in facts and figures that Brough Park is more dangerous than most other tracks when riders have been injured purely down to track conditions? I can guess that riders get injured there no more than other tracks up and down the country. Number 2. Tsunami may be able to confirm, but I believe that this element of "supporter" is no longer there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, A.N.Other said: I havent visited rough park for several years. There are two reasons...1. The track can be downright dangerous at times (just look at how many riders get injured there). 2. A section of the so called home "fans" are a disgrace to their club..they are compared to animals, due to their antagonistic attitude to visiting supporters, with them LAUGHING as a visiting rider is taken away by ambulance, swearing and making threats to away supporters etc etc. I am sorry if this offends genuine Diamonds fans, but it is a fact and I and my fellow Comets supporters have had experience of this quite often ! So you can understand why I am reluctant to visit ! If any of it was true I might be a bit concerned, but as it is not I'll not bother with what you have said. The difficulty is that, unlike Worky and other smooth hard tracks that produce speed and nothing else, Brough is prepared with dirt on and with the tight corners it tests riders, especially if they are of the throttle happy flatout riders such as Richard Hall, Josh Auty, Kyle Howarth, etc. All these sort or riders are spinning on a flat smooth track with no excitement, who never learnt till later how to handle dirt like their more sensible style riders who ride Brough well, like the Worrals, etc. Berwick, Worky fans regularly complain about the quality of racing at their own tracks and it is a regular complaint and might well be a major complaint with the fans that now don't attend. Does or should make you wonder about it, rather that slating other peoples tracks, where there is a regular racing at flat out speeds as well. We can't all be Sheffields and Somersets with good tracks and usually good racing on roughened tracks, but we do are best. I certainly can confirm that any elements lout behaviour in our ranks gets reported, and is seen to pretty prompt, and hasn't been with us for years. Behaviour of away fans has also been tackled, which has tended to put off certain Redcar fans since that problem was tackled. We attend every away meeting with them in great numbers and have no problems or even a reputation for troubles. Unfortunately they feel they can't return that compliment to support us for their away meetings with us. Edited February 4, 2019 by Tsunami 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 have to be honest the racing at brough isnt the best u can see but it does need skill to ride it esp turns 1 and 2 where riders can drift out to the fence on exit, i remember going to berwick for the first time in 1972 and watching riders bounce all over the place on a right rough black shale track, the home boys rode it slighty better than us helped very much by the best green light starts i have ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 i can see all those away supporters turning up for a meeting @ brough park or whatever its called now even when their team is not racing there ! todays away supporters only go to visit away tracks when their team are riding . but on the very odd occasion i did go to Redcar to see darcy ward @ redcar . but thats a track you can and do race on . i think its the feedback from other supporters/fans that have come up with the same conclusion that the track requires special powers to get the best out of it . workington has dirt on it , . smooth-ish on the inside and grippy on the outside , armadillo ! that Lyle Howarth sounds a good prospect tho . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Tsunami said: If any of it was true I might be a bit concerned, but as it is not I'll not bother with what you have said. The difficulty is that, unlike Worky and other smooth hard tracks that produce speed and nothing else, Brough is prepared with dirt on and with the tight corners it tests riders, especially if they are of the throttle happy flatout riders such as Richard Hall, Josh Auty, Lyle Howarth, etc. All these sort or riders are spinning on a flat smooth track with no excitement, who never learnt till later how to handle dirt like their more sensible style riders who ride Brough well, like the Worrals, etc. Berwick, Worky fans regularly complain about the quality of racing at their own tracks and it is a regular complaint and might well be a major complaint with the fans that now don't attend. Does or should make you wonder about it, rather that slating other peoples tracks, where there is a regular racing at flat out speeds as well. We can't all be Sheffields and Somersets with good tracks and usually good racing on roughened tracks, but we do are best. I certainly can confirm that any elements lout behaviour in our ranks gets reported, and is seen to pretty prompt, and hasn't been with us for years. Behaviour of away fans has also been tackled, which has tended to put off certain Redcar fans since that problem was tackled. We attend every away meeting with them in great numbers and have no problems or even a reputation for troubles. Unfortunately they feel they can't return that compliment to support us for their away meetings with us. Don't mind Newcastle tbf probably prefer it too Berwick actually 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, jenga said: i can see all those away supporters turning up for a meeting @ brough park or whatever its called now even when their team is not racing there ! todays away supporters only go to visit away tracks when their team are riding . but on the very odd occasion i did go to Redcar to see darcy ward @ redcar . but thats a track you can and do race on . i think its the feedback from other supporters/fans that have come up with the same conclusion that the track requires special powers to get the best out of it . workington has dirt on it , . smooth-ish on the inside and grippy on the outside , armadillo ! that Lyle Howarth sounds a good prospect tho . Oh no it doesn't sometimes. Like Berwick, the track most times start smooth and then dirt blasted off the surface is mover around during to meeting try and make it consistent. I was there for the Ippy meeting in about August (when Schlein got badly injured) and from the height of the first bend, you could see it was bald all meeting and with dangerous ripple going across the racing line, Try checking your program for that meeting and note how many trips to the fence were had there because it was hard and bald with no grip. Kyle is a nice lad and a good rider, but when he gets to Newcastle, like Nick Morris, he forgets to use his brain and just grabs a handful of power, and can spin off and into the fence usually 2nd or 4th corners. How is it that lesser riders can come away uninjured with a higher score, because the watched how to ride it and used the grip help them, not to make them lose control. I have heard many times that riders like riding at Newcastle for us, because once they can ride it every week, they know the visitors don't have that confidence, and can then get beat. Look at how Ludde used to fly around the outside at incredible speed with full of confidence, Aaron Summers and Robert L:ambert are usually the same. Having had 4 World Champs wasn't by accident. Going to be good to see how Lunna rides and learns this year. Edited February 4, 2019 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 Nike is full throttle hang on type of guy so I would get a large amount of spare bags Dave. Be great to watch with anticipation every time he goes in to the corner never knowing if he’s coming out the other end . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moomin man 76 Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 I personally wouldn't actually mind going to the odd meeting at Brough Park, but that isn't currently going to happen, when the money I allocated for watching speedway this year is sitting somewhere in Workington Comets' bank account/has been used by the promotion to pay off debts. Today's latest was that I might be receiving a refund in a 'couple of weeks'...the same line that has been given to my wife the last two times she has made enquiries too... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Tsunami said: Oh no it doesn't sometimes. Like Berwick, the track most times start smooth and then dirt blasted off the surface is mover around during to meeting try and make it consistent. I was there for the Ippy meeting in about August (when Schlein got badly injured) and from the height of the first bend, you could see it was bald all meeting and with dangerous ripple going across the racing line, Try checking your program for that meeting and note how many trips to the fence were had there because it was hard and bald with no grip. Kyle is a nice lad and a good rider, but when he gets to Newcastle, like Nick Morris, he forgets to use his brain and just grabs a handful of power, and can spin off and into the fence usually 2nd or 4th corners. How is it that lesser riders can come away uninjured with a higher score, because the watched how to ride it and used the grip help them, not to make them lose control. I have heard many times that riders like riding at Newcastle for us, because once they can ride it every week, they know the visitors don't have that confidence, and can then get beat. Look at how Ludde used to fly around the outside at incredible speed with full of confidence, Aaron Summers and Robert L:ambert are usually the same. Having had 4 World Champs wasn't by accident. Going to be good to see how Lunna rides and learns this year. no dirt on it eh !....... so how come when a rider falls off he is covered in fairy dust , as are the bikes ? hmmmm . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 At least you've got a reply moomin man.im still waiting for one of them to see if I'm getting my money back I paid the promotion. 11 hours ago, moomin man 76 said: I personally wouldn't actually mind going to the odd meeting at Brough Park, but that isn't currently going to happen, when the money I allocated for watching speedway this year is sitting somewhere in Workington Comets' bank account/has been used by the promotion to pay off debts. Today's latest was that I might be receiving a refund in a 'couple of weeks'...the same line that has been given to my wife the last two times she has made enquiries too... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelShoe Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 3 hours ago, bigbird said: At least you've got a reply moomin man.im still waiting for one of them to see if I'm getting my money back I paid the promotion. I'm pretty sure that Laura has more than enough integrity to ensure all monies paid by fans will be returned in full. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelShoe Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) Newcastle is a track that does require more learning than most. For me the entrance to the first turn is too tight which appears to result in many more spills than any other Championship track that I can think of. There is room to alter the shape but obviously this would erode home advantage. The most accomplished away riders who are also slick gaters do alright on it but I've always felt that the excitement struggles to get past a certain level. I've been on many occasion when poor throttle control has been given as the reason for the frequency of falls but this has rarely been entirely true in my experience . The inconsistency of track prep has played its part and has created problems even for the likes of Lambert and Cook. Edited February 5, 2019 by SteelShoe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, SteelShoe said: Newcastle is a track that does require more learning than most. For me the entrance to the first turn is too tight which appears to result in many more spills than any other Championship track that I can think of. There is room to alter the shape but obviously this would erode home advantage. The most accomplished away riders who are also slick gaters do alright on it but I've always felt that the excitement struggles to get past a certain level. I've been on many occasion when poor throttle control has been given as the reason for the frequency of falls but this has rarely been entirely true in my experience . The inconsistency of track prep has played its part and has created problems even for the likes of Lambert and Cook. What a convenient statement to make. We run inside a dog track and our straights are the legal minimum width of 8m to allow for a larger swinging bend. We took the inside line in by 2m in the late 90's to give more room, so your comment about not doing it for home advantage is way out of line. It's called dirt and gives grip and it's there to be ridden. if you want smooth poor passing tracks there are plenty of them but fans complain about dull racing. Nowt to do with poor track prep as we have Jonny Swales who you should know. Lambert learnt to ride it, but Cook has never had problems at Brough and is probably the most accomplished rider over the years and that is shown by his tremendous level of scoring on our track. it is one of his favourite tracks, his words no mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 Just past derwent park lots of vans in the pits ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 14 hours ago, jenga said: no dirt on it eh !....... so how come when a rider falls off he is covered in fairy dust , as are the bikes ? hmmmm . Simple. In that Ippy meeting, riders from both sides slid off because of no dirt and the cross ripples of the first bend and collected the dirt that was lying at the base of the air fence skirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelShoe Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 7 hours ago, Tsunami said: What a convenient statement to make. We run inside a dog track and our straights are the legal minimum width of 8m to allow for a larger swinging bend. We took the inside line in by 2m in the late 90's to give more room, so your comment about not doing it for home advantage is way out of line. It's called dirt and gives grip and it's there to be ridden. if you want smooth poor passing tracks there are plenty of them but fans complain about dull racing. Nowt to do with poor track prep as we have Jonny Swales who you should know. Lambert learnt to ride it, but Cook has never had problems at Brough and is probably the most accomplished rider over the years and that is shown by his tremendous level of scoring on our track. it is one of his favourite tracks, his words no mine. Just subjective perceptions from meetings attended and not always to watch the Comets. Cookie had a good apprenticeship at Edinburgh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.N.Other Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 8 hours ago, geoff100 said: Just past derwent park lots of vans in the pits ! Probably a meeting with the Rugby Club to see how they can extend the centre green to accomodate the Reds Football team ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 7 hours ago, A.N.Other said: Probably a meeting with the Rugby Club to see how they can extend the centre green to accomodate the Reds Football team ! or clearing out all the speedway fixtures and fittings ready for the big sale ! reds move into Derwent park sometime in May as i was informed yesterday . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 2 hours ago, jenga said: or clearing out all the speedway fixtures and fittings ready for the big sale ! reds move into Derwent park sometime in May as i was informed yesterday . Thats been done very quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz !!! Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 2 hours ago, jenga said: or clearing out all the speedway fixtures and fittings ready for the big sale ! reds move into Derwent park sometime in May as i was informed yesterday . Are the Reds not finishing their season at Borough Park and moving over in Sept, ?This is all assuming the new stadium gets planning permission ! an 8000 seat stadium is going to need a hell of a lot more parking than looks to be earmarked, there are cars everywhere when they have 800 at Derwent Park. Bigger worry is if they extend the pitch for the foorball what about the track :S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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