Belle Vue 2019

[poole keith]

surely its in scunthorpes best interest to make him their asset then sell him to bell vue(or whoever)the lad could probably negotiate a better deal for himself that way as well

[Weeyin]

On 9/3/2019 at 12:53 PM, Sidney the robin said:

Totally agree saw young Palin at Swindon the other month with the promising Thompson twins and others and the entertainment level was superb.Would love a few of these young uns to breakthrough and have good speedway careers.The Aces have young Bickley making his way are Palin/Bailey both Aces assets? or does Palin belong to Scunny.?

 

Bailey is a Glasgow asset

[Sidney the robin]

12 minutes ago, dorothy58 said:

Bailey is a Glasgow asset

A good one at that , Rew, Bailey, Browne, Gilmore are the next few young aussies to come through.

Edited September 5, 2019 by Sidney the robin

[SUPERACE]

Does it matter who's asset, how many riders get bought these days.  Cook ride for Belle Vue for 8 years and we didn't buy him.  

[acef]

11 minutes ago, SUPERACE said:

Does it matter who's asset, how many riders get bought these days.  Cook ride for Belle Vue for 8 years and we didn't buy him.  

Only when it comes to selling.

We were loyal to craig and vice versa but had we owned him then we could have got a transfer fee.

[SUPERACE]

7 hours ago, acef said:

Only when it comes to selling.

We were loyal to craig and vice versa but had we owned him then we could have got a transfer fee.

Why who was going to buy him.  Nobody buys these days it's all loans., Fees are next to nothing.

Edited September 5, 2019 by SUPERACE

[Speedtiger]

I’m still wondering and gutted as to how we managed to miss out on the top 4! The fans will miss out on exciting meetings and it is a massive financial blow for the club. Not getting to the finals will cost tens of thousands of pounds and loss this season will be telephone numbers again. I no it’s not just one thing that’s gone wrong and riders have not done the business so have to take some of the blame but there’s something not right at bv and there seems to be little or no ambition and a strange acceptance of failure. Falling crowds at bv and in speedway are a big problem and the way the sport is run is a joke but there no promotion of the club to fight back. Management seem slow to react to poor rider performances and incapable of attracting new improving replacements. Yes we need to change the team but should also seriously look at the way the club is run, which is very poor. Will that happen only time will tell? 

[SUPERACE]

1 hour ago, Speedtiger said:

I’m still wondering and gutted as to how we managed to miss out on the top 4! The fans will miss out on exciting meetings and it is a massive financial blow for the club. Not getting to the finals will cost tens of thousands of pounds and loss this season will be telephone numbers again. I no it’s not just one thing that’s gone wrong and riders have not done the business so have to take some of the blame but there’s something not right at bv and there seems to be little or no ambition and a strange acceptance of failure. Falling crowds at bv and in speedway are a big problem and the way the sport is run is a joke but there no promotion of the club to fight back. Management seem slow to react to poor rider performances and incapable of attracting new improving replacements. Yes we need to change the team but should also seriously look at the way the club is run, which is very poor. Will that happen only time will tell? 

Yet if Fricke didn't get injured and miss the wolves match we would of won and we would be in the playoffs now.  Mistakes made this season yes but it's small margins in the end.

[SPD444]

7 minutes ago, SUPERACE said:

Yet if Fricke didn't get injured and miss the wolves match we would of won and we would be in the playoffs now.  Mistakes made this season yes but it's small margins in the end.

And giving up a 16 point lead against Poole didn't help the cause. Very disappointed. I like Mark but he must accept his share of mistakes. Not replacing riders, tactical errors and poor marketing  by the CEO. 

[Aces51]

We missed out on the play offs because we took a chance on Steve and Dan recovering from their injuries and getting back to their pre injury form. It didn't work out, although Dan is now almost there. I doubt many fans would not have wanted us to include them in the original team selection and the management obviously thought likewise.

We missed out on the play offs because we held on to Wells for far too long. He should have been replaced before his average dropped and that was a management mistake.

However, as Superace has said and despite the above, we would  have been in the play offs if Fricke had not been injured prior to the Wolverhampton meeting. There were no suitable guests available from Ipswich, the only team not riding that day and we lost to Wolverhampton by 4 points with r/r for Fricke scoring just 4. Nothing is certain in life or speedway but I am sure Fricke would have scored at least enough points to gives us the win.

As for promoting the club , the management can always do more but it is far from easy with limited financial resources and to compete for media space against Manchester United and City and the other local league clubs, plus the local rugby and cricket clubs. They do try to maintain a high profile on social media, they tried the initiative of giving everyone who attended one of the meetings a voucher for £5 to be used at any other meeting and it seems to me that crowds are increasing. 

[Phil The Ace]

As superace says, it was small margins. But in a league where there is 7 teams only, small margins have to be thwarted. 

 

What's annoying is that it's always silly mistakes that cost us, which I suppose makes a change for it to be because of injuries. 

 

The problems started with losing that 16 point lead. (Still fuming at that) 

 

Then wells and berge not being replaced when we was under the limit and had wells on 6 plus average and berge on a high 4. If we got rid of both we had like 11+ points to play with. If we did that we would be champions on my view. 

 

Wolves came at the wrong time for us  (right time for them) that was just unlucky really. 

 

So lemon needs to learn from his mistakes in loyalty. And I'm sure he will do as missing  out on play offs is a huge disaster for belle vue with our overheads, 

 

Next year will be interesting. Because while teams will have to dismantle there team we can keep the same 7 riders if we wanted. Not that I would. But I'd possibly keep 6 and swap berge for a 5+ man. 

 

FRICKE- Great year. Proper no1 for us. Exciting to watch

WORRALL- consistently inconsistent 

BEWLEY-  Ppl say his head and injuries took its toll. I'd say he was just slow this year. Especially at NSS

LIDSEY- Great find. Good at home. Will get better away.

BJERRE - mr consistent, always reliable. Seem to fade off end of meetings a little though towards end of season

BERGE - worst rider to ever grace british league away from NSS. Good at home though. 

 

Edited September 7, 2019 by Phil The Ace

[SUPERACE]

1 hour ago, SPD444 said:

And giving up a 16 point lead against Poole didn't help the cause. Very disappointed. I like Mark but he must accept his share of mistakes. Not replacing riders, tactical errors and poor marketing  by the CEO. 

I agree mistakes were made, it's clear wells should of been swapped before his average fell.  But this is the first year in five we haven't made the playoffs so let's see if we can bounce back next season.  We can't afford to make the same mistakes again.

[colin wood]

4 hours ago, Phil The Ace said:

As superace says, it was small margins. But in a league where there is 7 teams only, small margins have to be thwarted. 

 

What's annoying is that it's always silly mistakes that cost us, which I suppose makes a change for it to be because of injuries. 

 

The problems started with losing that 16 point lead. (Still fuming at that) 

 

Then wells and berge not being replaced when we was under the limit and had wells on 6 plus average and berge on a high 4. If we got rid of both we had like 11+ points to play with. If we did that we would be champions on my view. 

 

Wolves came at the wrong time for us  (right time for them) that was just unlucky really. 

 

So lemon needs to learn from his mistakes in loyalty. And I'm sure he will do as missing  out on play offs is a huge disaster for belle vue with our overheads, 

 

Next year will be interesting. Because while teams will have to dismantle there team we can keep the same 7 riders if we wanted. Not that I would. But I'd possibly keep 6 and swap berge for a 5+ man. 

 

FRICKE- Great year. Proper no1 for us. Exciting to watch

WORRALL- consistently inconsistent 

BEWLEY-  Ppl say his head and injuries took its toll. I'd say he was just slow this year. Especially at NSS

LIDSEY- Great find. Good at home. Will get better away.

BJERRE - mr consistent, always reliable. Seem to fade off end of meetings a little though towards end of season

BERGE - worst rider to ever grace british league away from NSS. Good at home though. 

 

Agree with most of this except Bewley being slow at the NSS.He's the quickest rider ever round there lol.I get what you mean though it just didn't happen often enough.

[Phil The Ace]

4 hours ago, colin wood said:

Agree with most of this except Bewley being slow at the NSS.He's the quickest rider ever round there lol.I get what you mean though it just didn't happen often enough.

Up until that point he looked slow 

[hyderd]

On 9/7/2019 at 11:21 PM, Phil The Ace said:

Up until that point he looked slow 

I personally thought he looked over cautious, which is understanding concidering the awful injuries he suffered at the tail end of last season.

Dan could be challenging Max for the No 1 berth next season.

[acef]

45 minutes ago, hyderd said:

I personally thought he looked over cautious, which is understanding concidering the awful injuries he suffered at the tail end of last season.

Dan could be challenging Max for the No 1 berth next season.

No way on this earth will dan be challenging for number 1 next year.

Hes miles away.

[acef]

Small margins in terms of actually qualifying, you could argue we were just unlucky in a couple instances. Wolves home defeat a prime example.

The thing I'm most pissed about is the lack of reaction and change. As phil pointed out, we could have swapped Berge and Wells before their averages changed. Doing so would have removed the margin for running out of luck and would likely have seen us actually challenging to win the thing and not just qualify, because lets be honest, there is no way we were getting the title with that team.

Just qualifying isn't enough. We need to go into the play offs with a real chance of winning and I've never felt that in the previous 5 seasons.

You have to speculate to accumulate and imo 2 changes should have been made when we had the chance.

They didnt react.

[craigACE]

Belle Vue 2019 has ended in a bit of a disaster. Started off well. Was always ahead in meetings that had taken place. Loads of obvious mistakes made. Not good enough for us. Hope we win the supporters cup. At least that would be some consolation.

[Sidney the robin]

2 hours ago, acef said:

Small margins in terms of actually qualifying, you could argue we were just unlucky in a couple instances. Wolves home defeat a prime example.

The thing I'm most pissed about is the lack of reaction and change. As phil pointed out, we could have swapped Berge and Wells before their averages changed. Doing so would have removed the margin for running out of luck and would likely have seen us actually challenging to win the thing and not just qualify, because lets be honest, there is no way we were getting the title with that team.

Just qualifying isn't enough. We need to go into the play offs with a real chance of winning and I've never felt that in the previous 5 seasons.

You have to speculate to accumulate and imo 2 changes should have been made when we had the chance.

They didnt react.

A core of Fricke, Bewley, Bjerre, Lidsey looks mighty good for 2020 acef plenty of optimism for your fans next season.

[Speedtiger]

2 hours ago, acef said:

Small margins in terms of actually qualifying, you could argue we were just unlucky in a couple instances. Wolves home defeat a prime example.

The thing I'm most pissed about is the lack of reaction and change. As phil pointed out, we could have swapped Berge and Wells before their averages changed. Doing so would have removed the margin for running out of luck and would likely have seen us actually challenging to win the thing and not just qualify, because lets be honest, there is no way we were getting the title with that team.

Just qualifying isn't enough. We need to go into the play offs with a real chance of winning and I've never felt that in the previous 5 seasons.

You have to speculate to accumulate and imo 2 changes should have been made when we had the chance.

They didnt react.

Every team has bad luck and good luck over a season “unlucky” is a poor excuse for failure.

We have the best track and stadium in the UK and built what was a good competitive team!!!

Our current league position and missing out of the top 4 play offs has now sadly proved that we have a weak clueless TM and a incompetent dithering management. 

They been in place and failed for 3 years now so imo it’s time to bring in a new TM and management that can promote and take the club forward. But dont hold your breath.