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5 hours ago, iwright71 said:

That's your 2nd post in a row which has started  with "you know nothing" Its probably right, I'm just making observations on what I see and read. Including a local councillor in the Man Evening News quoted as saying " I absolutely support the principle of ensuring a thriving local business economy but unfortunately this has proved to be a failing initiative on more than one occasion. There are no viable plans for this money to be returned and we cannot afford to sink any more money into a business that shows no sign of growth despite public injections of nearly 9 million "  I think reading the last few pages of this topic that most non protectionist Belle Vue fans realise the ongoing financial issues at the NSS

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/reckless-council-sink-another-85k-14948278               Is this what you were referring to ?

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3 hours ago, colin wood said:

To put things into perspective regarding the cost of the NSS it's been reported the cost to repair Manchester Town Hall will be upwards of 250 million.I think the stadium was built cheap for what was involved.Any new stadiums being built today will be costly no matter what sport it's for. The NSS is a world class racetrack , and for the sake of speedway in this country deserves to succeed.

in that case every big meeting should go there. A National Stadium should be holding a GP at least, though i realise the crowd would be a fraction of Cardiff it would be bigger than some other GPs. The quality would be 1st class of course.

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8 minutes ago, ch958 said:

in that case every big meeting should go there. A National Stadium should be holding a GP at least, though i realise the crowd would be a fraction of Cardiff it would be bigger than some other GPs. The quality would be 1st class of course.

Sadly I can't see it holding the British GP. It's just not big enough. I agree the track is as good as any out there though.

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19 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said:

Ian Thomas apparently told Tim Stone - in respect of the Queensway Stadium, Newport -  that you don't own a corner shop and open it one day a week. He's right.

The trick for the NSS is to make maximum use of the facility and not be tied to speedway alone. I'll be very surprised if that isn't part of the plan and, indeed, will have been the whole time. There's no doubt that it is a fantastic for speedway  but that just isn't enough.

I am aware that Isle of Wight use Smallbrook for other events - a pop concert has been held there for the last two years, and its nothing like the size of the NSS - while Somerset use their car parking area for all sorts of other  activities including auctions and  car boot sales. There's no reason why any other club that owns their facility can't do the same.

The fact that the stadium still has temporary toilets and temporary terracing (which apparently costs a packet) suggests the council haven't covered their end. Given their apparent determination to impose non disclosure agreements and suppress documentation the one thing they are most certainly trying to cover is their back. 

It can be argued that the quality of racing isn't enough, and I'd agree. To counter that, just imagine how many would be there if it was rubbish. 

 

Probably about the same as the dog track proved. I’d say the increase is marginal in terms of footfall.

Fully agree with what your saying about multi use. I’d add simply 2 words.

Stock cars 

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3 hours ago, Bald Bloke said:

Sadly I can't see it holding the British GP. It's just not big enough. I agree the track is as good as any out there though.

It’s more than big enough. It holds 9k with temp seating, many gps on circuits gone by have held less capacity. Teterow being a prime case.

There is this weird obsession around the size of the stadium in retrospect for a GP. I just don’t understand it. It’s going to compliment Cardiff, not replace it.

9K is absolutely suffice.

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I would love to see a GP held at NSS but would 9k crowd make a meeting profitable for all concerned?  Personally, I wouldn’t even attempt to go, and I live just 30-35 mile away. I would imagine there would need to be in place a big Tv contract, and I would expect to pay extra, on top of my current BT subscription. World championship boxing matches charge for one off fights, so why not speedway for the big ones.

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6 hours ago, acef said:

It’s more than big enough. It holds 9k with temp seating, many gps on circuits gone by have held less capacity. Teterow being a prime case.

There is this weird obsession around the size of the stadium in retrospect for a GP. I just don’t understand it. It’s going to compliment Cardiff, not replace it.

9K is absolutely suffice.

What did Torun have in October 15,000?? Acef.

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13 hours ago, cuckootoyou said:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/reckless-council-sink-another-85k-14948278               Is this what you were referring to ?

That article was the biggest load of tosh ever. It was just 1 guy who diddnt have a clue what he was going on about. 

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On ‎2‎/‎3‎/‎2019 at 5:20 AM, mikebv said:

Had a bad day acef?:D

To be fair cannot argue with the sentiments of your last three posts....

The racing standard nowadays is largely irrelevant to the level of crowds watching in so much that the only people who can see any decline (if there actually is any) are those who go regularly...

And as they are very much the diehards of the sport, who still attend regardless of what is put in front of them, they are obviously content with what they see....

I would suggest anyone new to the sport would still be initially 'wowed' by the sport at any track with any standard of racing..

It would only be over a matter of time that they could then become opinionated as to whether the racing was as good as they first went or not and decide to continue paying to watch...

The initial 'wow factor' is there at every track, the bigger problem is that not enough of the local conurbations know about the sport to attend, or plenty of them have tried the sport regularly previously, and given it up due to its Mickey Mouse operating model..

The NSS delivers racing far superior to most and infinitely more so than the 'dog bowl' ever did..

So why isn't it full every week?

2.5 Million people live in Grt Manchester, all within 45 mins drive from the NSS. Which is 5 mins out of Mcr City Centre for those who use public transport..

I would suggest 2.4 Million of them have no clue (or at best very little clue) who the Belle Vue Aces are, or indeed, what Speedway is..

Thats the biggest problem the Aces have..

And that situation is I would say replicated around the country..

The standard of racing is irrelevant if hardly anyone knows it's happening in the first place..

 

Good post. Apart from the fact that speedway is in a big mess mainly caused by the BSPA promoters, the people currently running BV don't seem to have much idea about the sport and how to promote speedway. I visit on a regular basis and to say the stadium and track are without doubt the best in the UK the crowds are more often than not relatively poor and the fact that speedway and NSS actually exists in Manchester is a closely kept secret. I sent a constructive email to the BV management Mr Smith with some supporters views and didn't even get the courtesy of a response. Which says it all...they think they know better than the paying fans..!

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1 hour ago, Phil The Ace said:

That article was the biggest load of tosh ever. It was just 1 guy who diddnt have a clue what he was going on about. 

Actually the reporter was closer than you think. The minutes of Manchester city council are made public so any one can see what is discussed. It isn't all doom and gloom for Bell Vue but isn't  rosey either. Personally i hope it all works out and speedway in general can move upwards for a change and the NSS gets the meetings the race track deserves in the future.

 

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10 hours ago, geoff58 said:

stock cars no chance safety to close also in field 4g football pitches !! also stock cars is declining quicker more than british speedway !!

 

It’s declining because they are inside dog tracks with astronomical rents.

Your right about the safety fence, unfortunately the design of the whole thing means it’ll never happen.

It should, though, have been part of the initial planning and build. Absolutely ludicrous decision to exclude it.

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13 hours ago, Sidney the robin said:

What did Torun have in October 15,000?? Acef.

Without checking I couldn’t tell you but you make a good point. 

9k in the grand scheme of the whole series is fine. 

The issue isn’t crowd size, it’s costs. A lot of which lands at the door of BV where BSI won’t pay.

The World Cup cost a fortune.

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Wasn't it something like £150k to £200k to host a GP?

If so. A 9000 crowd would need a minimum £30 adult entry I would think to hire the stadium, build the temp structures needed, and pay the VAT..

Not sure any room for concessions at these numbers either...

Maybe the GP costs have dropped though?

At circa £100k I would think it would be doable...

Maybe BSI would want to avoid another GP in Britain though, as they may feel it could have a possible impact to Cardiff where I think I am correct in saying they promote and hold the rights for..?

 

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13 hours ago, mikebv said:

Wasn't it something like £150k to £200k to host a GP?

If so. A 9000 crowd would need a minimum £30 adult entry I would think to hire the stadium, build the temp structures needed, and pay the VAT..

Not sure any room for concessions at these numbers either...

Maybe the GP costs have dropped though?

At circa £100k I would think it would be doable...

Maybe BSI would want to avoid another GP in Britain though, as they may feel it could have a possible impact to Cardiff where I think I am correct in saying they promote and hold the rights for..?

 

I'm sure I read somewhere that it is to do with the Welsh government funding and the contract states that Cardiff is the only GP in Britain. I might be wrong though.

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