Halifaxtiger Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 20 hours ago, Aces51 said: I wouldn't judge any rider on one performance. Daft, isn't it ? We also get some bemoaning how teams are split up so there is no continuity for the fans and others desiring wholesale sackings 11 hours ago, B.V 72 said: True if Tungate cannot be fitted into the team next year we will miss out on some breath taking speedway the guy is awesome round the NSS one thing is for sure whoever he signs for will be a lot harder to beat round the NSS with him in the team.Plus any team needing a guest he will be their first choice and could cause us some real damage over a season.If he can be fitted into the team we would be mad to let him go sadly for him and us he had to good a season this year and his average is a little high for team building for next year.Lets hope they keep a fairly high points limit so we can keep him. The team I stated earlier - Fricke, Bewley, Tungate, Pickering, Cook, Nielsen, Berge - would (I think) fit under the existing points limit. There is continuity in the team and potential for scoring improvement within that continuity. To be fair, Tungate isn't likely to go up much but I would retain him anyway. The 'new blood' is Nielsen and Pickering. Nielsen has the potential to make mincemeat of his average and Pickering would be absolutely sensational at the NSS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 6 hours ago, geoff58 said: more than one occasion we are going stale standing still we need fresh blood otherwise we won't win nothing !! if he stay's we will be saying the same thing this time next season !! Promoters can't win, what happened to the 'we want continuity' shout from the fans. If Belle Vue hadn't had terrible luck with injuries they may have won the league in 2018 imo! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 On 7 November 2018 at 9:36 AM, Skidder1 said: Any club at Championship level that runs at weekends would have to avoid signing any rider who competes in any of the Polish divisions. By definition any of the 'richer' clubs riding Mon/Weds can afford to sign stronger teams which will make the one league concept uncompetitive for some. Clubs that lose regularly also lose fans If it is one league at Championship level the priority is on riders riding in the top leagues in Sweden and Poland and the only other ones are riders riding in lower levels abroad that come from that country. Example if Rybnik were riding on a Friday in a rearranged meeting and Poole were away that night, Woryna would ride at Rybnik being Polish. Ostrow in the same circumstances would have to do without Klindt as the fixture here was arranged first. If arranged in Poland first, it's down to an agreement that has to be sorted between leagues. Most riders however ever in a one league here at a Championship level don't ride in top leagues and those that do could be sorted to try and avoid clashes. It is unlikely any track operating on a Thursday will sign a Swedish rider or rider with a contract in Sweden in the top league and the same for any club that operates on Friday or Saturday or Sunday signing a rider involved in Poland, especially the top level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 48 minutes ago, INCOGNITO said: If it is one league at Championship level the priority is on riders riding in the top leagues in Sweden and Poland and the only other ones are riders riding in lower levels abroad that come from that country. Example if Rybnik were riding on a Friday in a rearranged meeting and Poole were away that night, Woryna would ride at Rybnik being Polish. Ostrow in the same circumstances would have to do without Klindt as the fixture here was arranged first. If arranged in Poland first, it's down to an agreement that has to be sorted between leagues. Most riders however ever in a one league here at a Championship level don't ride in top leagues and those that do could be sorted to try and avoid clashes. It is unlikely any track operating on a Thursday will sign a Swedish rider or rider with a contract in Sweden in the top league and the same for any club that operates on Friday or Saturday or Sunday signing a rider involved in Poland, especially the top level Which may help the home team but do not forget that each visiting team will visit the thursday to Sunday running clubs so will need guests etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 14 hours ago, A ORLOV said: Which may help the home team but do not forget that each visiting team will visit the thursday to Sunday running clubs so will need guests etc. No rider that rides in Poland would be riding for a Sunday club and if the visitors like Fricke at Belle Vue for example arrange their fixture on a Sunday where Max is available. Fixture clashes he's will be few and far between if done correctly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 You seem to also be forgetting the mandatory practice days that any Polish-contracted riders have to attend! Lets not forget, riders will in the main give priority to where the money is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Connor Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 So the farce of a team riding home on a weekend vs rr and guests. It’s a farce if that happens and fixed race nights solved that to a large extent. Mon/wed/thu or a lower level should be the only options. If not we get the ridiculous situation that was 2017. Record guest numbers. this is the flaw of 1 league. Bigger teams signing big riders but not being able to use them due to continental clashes. We will have no rights on overseas riders now anyway. If a foreign rider is down to ride for a club on their frn then there isn’t any way around it. I hope belle vue persivere and find a way on the frn as it would be a shame for them to drop down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 1 hour ago, INCOGNITO said: No rider that rides in Poland would be riding for a Sunday club and if the visitors like Fricke at Belle Vue for example arrange their fixture on a Sunday where Max is available. Fixture clashes he's will be few and far between if done correctly But if more than one club rode on a Sunday or Saturday then the visiting club may not be able to dictate when all of its away meetings at those clubs are run, especially if Poland or Sweden suddenly arranged extra practice on a Sunday or Sat when they were not scheduled to ride. Unfortunately Poland rues speedway and if they say jump the riders jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 10/30/2018 at 1:26 PM, Phil The Ace said: Or if 42.50 Fricke Bewley Bjerre Lidsey Zagar Bickley Kemp belle vue in the championship are they ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 3 hours ago, jenga said: belle vue in the championship are they ? Yeah. That's where Kenny bjerre, zagar and fricke want to ride. Silly boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 43 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said: Yeah. That's where Kenny bjerre, zagar and fricke want to ride. Silly boy lets face it, thats where the majority of premiership riders , ride . kemp will be in the pl with ippo anyhow ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 42 minutes ago, jenga said: lets face it, thats where the majority of premiership riders , ride . kemp will be in the pl with ippo anyhow ! Yes he will. At the time of the post though Ipswich wasn't coming up. It's quite clear now though that Ipswich are up with Peterborough, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 Just now, Phil The Ace said: Yes he will. At the time of the post though Ipswich wasn't coming up. It's quite clear now though that Ipswich are up with Peterborough, Why's it clear that Peterborough and Ipswich are going Premiership? The stadium use at the showground is unreliable. The stadium owners cancel fixtures when someone else wants to use the grounds and willing to pay substantially more than the Speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 54 minutes ago, jenga said: lets face it, thats where the majority of premiership riders , ride . kemp will be in the pl with ippo anyhow ! As a supporter of a championship club (fingers crossed for your club)I would not harp on about Prem class riders riding in the champ league.They are only there for the extra money.Before this crazy doubleing up most of them would have moved up to the prem league already,and if they do stop it next year most of them will choose to ride in the prem league, for most clubs better wages tougher races for their improvment etc.Which would leave the champ league short of most of its major talent and I think that would inc Bewley and Klindt. The way it should be really and the way it was for many years before the dreaded doubling up which has damaged the sport big time. Edited November 14, 2018 by B.V 72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, B.V 72 said: As a supporter of a championship club (fingers crossed for your club)I would not harp on about Prem class riders riding in the champ league.They are only there for the extra money.Before this crazy doubleing up most of them would have moved up to the prem league already,and if they do stop it next year most of them will choose to ride in the prem league for most clubs better wages tougher races for their improvment etc.Which would leave the champ league short of most of its major talent and I think that would inc Bewley and Klindt. The way it should be really and they way it was for many years before the dreaded doubling up which has damaged the sport big time. I've said few times, the Championship should just be an extension of the National League, progress for our youth. Foreign rider's allowed but they must not be included in any top leagues i.e. Premiership, Ekstraliga, Liga 1, Metal League, Elitserien or Bundesliga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said: I've said few times, the Championship should just be an extension of the National League, progress for our youth. Foreign rider's allowed but they must not be included in any top leagues i.e. Premiership, Ekstraliga, Liga 1, Metal League, Elitserien or Bundesliga. Good idea in theory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 If Zagar is 8.00 (no Eliteserin ride as yet) what is left points limit wise if Aces sign Cook, Bewley & Fricke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, Col said: If Zagar is 8.00 (no Eliteserin ride as yet) what is left points limit wise if Aces sign Cook, Bewley & Fricke? Zagar 8.00 Fricke 8.24 Cook 7.64 Bewley 7.09 30.97 used so just 11.53 left for three riders and all must have achieved a three point average so not much as that four Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenspoon Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 Belle Vue will have to go with a weaker team in 2019, despite not winning anything in 2018, as we were one of the highest combined averages team. For 2019 how about, Fricke Cook Bjerre Bewley Auty Berge Etheridge With the 2.5 reduction for NL riders that might just fit in the 42.5 limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted November 16, 2018 Report Share Posted November 16, 2018 The 2.5 reduction is for all British riders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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