Belle Vue 2019

[speedy bill]

9 hours ago, Steve0 said:

But no room for Jack Smith?

And only two Britts in team 

 

[ouch]

5 hours ago, speedy bill said:

And only two Britts in team 

 

Seven actually. Keep up. 

[Halifaxtiger]

15 hours ago, Steve0 said:

But no room for Jack Smith?

That's the stupid points limit rather than Belle Vue. It is entirely probable that a lot of the high averaging young riders will be forced out of the NL.

Had it been the same as last year, they could have Smith rather than Phillips (Smith is younger, less experienced and is deeply connected with Belle Vue). 

Decent Aces side and a most attractive Colts one. Monday night racing is not for me, though.

[Gunner85]

We’re there any other developments apart from naming the teams on Thursday night ?

[INCOGNITO]

14 hours ago, BLACKHEART said:

Lidsey over Becker every day of the week. Becker will struggle on the big tracks like Peterborough whilst Lidsey would enjoy them.

His year at Rezszow obviously hasn't worked riding big tracks and he did OK passing Batchelor at Leszno in the SWC

[Gunner85]

Has Monday been declared our main race night??????

[alkadera]

12 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said:

That's the stupid points limit rather than Belle Vue. It is entirely probable that a lot of the high averaging young riders will be forced out of the NL.

Had it been the same as last year, they could have Smith rather than Phillips (Smith is younger, less experienced and is deeply connected with Belle Vue). 

Decent Aces side and a most attractive Colts one. Monday night racing is not for me, though.

With the reduction of the minimum average to 2 the colts had exactly the same number of points as last year for their top 5. They could have kept Smith rather than sign Flint who is equally as not connected to belle Vue as Phillips.

[Wee Eck]

56 minutes ago, alkadera said:

With the reduction of the minimum average to 2 the colts had exactly the same number of points as last year for their top 5. They could have kept Smith rather than sign Flint who is equally as not connected to belle Vue as Phillips.

In what way is Smith “connected” to Belle Vue?

[alkadera]

Just using Halifax tiger’s assertion to that

[Halifaxtiger]

9 hours ago, alkadera said:

With the reduction of the minimum average to 2 the colts had exactly the same number of points as last year for their top 5. They could have kept Smith rather than sign Flint who is equally as not connected to belle Vue as Phillips.

Flint will be 16 at the start of the season and is one of British Speedway's best prospects, averaging 8.5 in his first year. Given also he is based in Berwick (and hence the other nearest NLtrack would be almost 100 miles away) it is pretty much a no brainer for both him and Belle Vue to sign for the Colts and I suspect many (if not most) Belle Vue supporters would prefer him to Smith.

2019 will be Phillips' 8th season of NL racing, his average last year was 6.75 and under 2.00 for Scunthorpe. He'll be 23 during the season. It will be Smith's 4th season, his average was 8.41 and 2.88 for Sheffield. He'll be 20. 

No question about whom is more deserving of a place in the NL and it is ridiculous that a rider of that age and potential is forced out of the NL by the points limit (and it is most unlikely that he will be the only one).

While there can be an argument made that due to the reduction for new riders from 3.00 to 2.00 means that the limit remains the same, that is dependent upon all teams finding two such riders - or 16 altogether. 

Are there 16 ?

 

[alkadera]

1 hour ago, Halifaxtiger said:

Flint will be 16 at the start of the season and is one of British Speedway's best prospects, averaging 8.5 in his first year. Given also he is based in Berwick (and hence the other nearest NLtrack would be almost 100 miles away) it is pretty much a no brainer for both him and Belle Vue to sign for the Colts and I suspect many (if not most) Belle Vue supporters would prefer him to Smith.

2019 will be Phillips' 8th season of NL racing, his average last year was 6.75 and under 2.00 for Scunthorpe. He'll be 23 during the season. It will be Smith's 4th season, his average was 8.41 and 2.88 for Sheffield. He'll be 20. 

No question about whom is more deserving of a place in the NL and it is ridiculous that a rider of that age and potential is forced out of the NL by the points limit (and it is most unlikely that he will be the only one).

While there can be an argument made that due to the reduction for new riders from 3.00 to 2.00 means that the limit remains the same, that is dependent upon all teams finding two such riders - or 16 altogether. 

Are there 16 ?

 

I know all about flint and his prospects having watched him in the youth championship over the last 4 seasons and at Birmingham this season and I agree that he should be in the NL. 

Regards the points limit, Belle Vue had 2 3 pointers this season so for them the limit hasn't in reality changed. They could have chosen to build differently to include Smith if they really wanted him which clearly they didn't. It is not solely the fault of the limit that has put Smith on the sidelines atm.

If rider potential is a main factor for riding in the NL (should it be), then it could be argued that the league is not feasible as there are many, many riders with a similar or less of a future than Phillips - where is the line drawn?

 

 

[ouch]

Good luck to our mate Jackson Andrew Smith up at Redcar in the Championship for 2019.
With Redcar switching to a Friday racenight - the same night as the Colts - Jack wasn't available to us for 2019, but it's the right decision for him to push on into the higher league.
We wish him well and hope to see Jack back at Belle Vue in the future, and hopefully riding for the Aces.

[blocktread]

i suppose that's why Joe Lawlor hasn't signed for the Colts too with Glasgow racing on Fridays.

 

[coldace]

5 hours ago, blocktread said:

i suppose that's why Joe Lawlor hasn't signed for the Colts too with Glasgow racing on Fridays.

 

Good point.  I was wondering why no Joe.  He made real progress last year and great to watch.  Would have preferred him to Phillips

[lastword]

23 hours ago, Wee Eck said:

In what way is Smith “connected” to Belle Vue?

Err...........Andy?.......British Champion 1993/94/95.  Aces in 1982-1990, 1998-2001. 

Jack is his son for God's sake!!

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[Wee Eck]

12 hours ago, lastword said:

Err...........Andy?.......British Champion 1993/94/95.  Aces in 1982-1990, 1998-2001. 

Jack is his son for God's sake!!

That’s the wrong answer. Jack is connected to Andy who is connected to the Aces. But Jack has no direct connection. 

That’s like saying that Richard Lawson was connected to Glasgow because of Steve. Richard was riding for many years before signing for Glasgow. And then look how that worked out.

Next you’ll claim that Jason Crump should only have ridden for Swindon because that’s where Phil rode for many years. 

[Gunner85]

On 12/17/2018 at 8:06 AM, Wee Eck said:

That’s the wrong answer. Jack is connected to Andy who is connected to the Aces. But Jack has no direct connection. 

That’s like saying that Richard Lawson was connected to Glasgow because of Steve. Richard was riding for many years before signing for Glasgow. And then look how that worked out.

Next you’ll claim that Jason Crump should only have ridden for Swindon because that’s where Phil rode for many years. 

A connection is a connection whether it be direct or indirect.

There will be sponsors of Jack who exist because of Andy being his dad.

Both Jack and Andy have proud connections to Belle Vue and long may it continue

[Wee Eck]

4 hours ago, Gunner85 said:

A connection is a connection whether it be direct or indirect.

There will be sponsors of Jack who exist because of Andy being his dad.

Both Jack and Andy have proud connections to Belle Vue and long may it continue

Eric Boocock was “connected” to Nigel Boocock, but that didn’t mean they should have ridden for the same team. Wayne and Tony Briggs were “connected” to Barry Briggs, but that didn’t mean they had to ride for Swindon or Southampton. 

Andy Smith is a Belle Vue legend. Jack isn’t. Yet. Who knows, it might happen one day, but how can you claim someone should have signed for the Colts because of a “connection” when, in his short career, he has ridden for Birmingham, Glasgow, Sheffield, Swindon (and the Colts), and whose registration is held by Glasgow (and he was born in Stoke)?

That’s a lot of “connections”.

[lastword]

2 hours ago, Wee Eck said:

Eric Boocock was “connected” to Nigel Boocock, but that didn’t mean they should have ridden for the same team. Wayne and Tony Briggs were “connected” to Barry Briggs, but that didn’t mean they had to ride for Swindon or Southampton. 

Andy Smith is a Belle Vue legend. Jack isn’t. Yet. Who knows, it might happen one day, but how can you claim someone should have signed for the Colts because of a “connection” when, in his short career, he has ridden for Birmingham, Glasgow, Sheffield, Swindon (and the Colts), and whose registration is held by Glasgow (and he was born in Stoke)?

That’s a lot of “connections”.

You just don't get it do you?

Andy rode for Aces from 1982-1900, 1998-2001 and 2005.

Andy and his missus gave birth to Jack.  (And those of us who stood on the home straight at Kirky Lane will remember a scruffy young kid running up and down supporting his Dad). That was Jack.

Move on a few years and look at a table in the main stand at the NSS on nights when Jack was riding for the Colts. His mother and many other family members always there to support Jack.

And in the pits his father Andy acting as mechanic/manager.

Like I said.............you just don't get it do you?

[KIRKYLANE]

2 hours ago, lastword said:

You just don't get it do you?

Andy rode for Aces from 1982-1900, 1998-2001 and 2005.

Andy and his missus gave birth to Jack.  (And those of us who stood on the home straight at Kirky Lane will remember a scruffy young kid running up and down supporting his Dad). That was Jack.

Move on a few years and look at a table in the main stand at the NSS on nights when Jack was riding for the Colts. His mother and many other family members always there to support Jack.

And in the pits his father Andy acting as mechanic/manager.

Like I said.............you just don't get it do you?

hello lastword

You are wasting your time trying to have an intelligent conversation with Wee Eck

Just remove him from your web site and you will no longer see his drivel