poolebolton Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 57 minutes ago, acef said: Becker may have done more small track but that won’t matter this year. Wolves aside, we have a lot of big tracks in the premiership. Becker will be a solid home rider. Imo he will struggle away where as Lidsey won’t Becker is better than Lidsey imo. Thats from what i saw this year. But you can't make judgment really with Poland compared to the UK. As we have seen many a good rider in Poland has struggled in the UK. But overall its great for the league to have these young guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, poolebolton said: Really hard to judge a rider. Matt Szczepaniak was a 10 point rider in League 1 in 2017 and look how he did over here. Becker will fare better, has done more small track stuff. Question how will they both go when they come to the bouncy castle. How many small tracks are they. 1 only. Don't need small track riders anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, poolebolton said: Becker is better than Lidsey imo. Thats from what i saw this year. But you can't make judgment really with Poland compared to the UK. As we have seen many a good rider in Poland has struggled in the UK. But overall its great for the league to have these young guys. I just can’t agree with that. Traditionally, how many American riders have jumped over the pond and fared better than up coming Australians? It’s rare in the extreme. Becker will struggle away from home. Lidsey, on the current premiership tracks, will be much much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 51 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said: How many small tracks are they. 1 only. Don't need small track riders anymore The Americans are brought on small tight tracks. The away ones in the premiership now, Becker won’t know what to do with them. Take him a season or two to find his feet. Lidsey has a higher ceiling and is coming off the back of a season in Poland on big fast tracks. Not sure what he’s on about tbh. It’s not even a debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, acef said: I just can’t agree with that. Traditionally, how many American riders have jumped over the pond and fared better than up coming Australians? It’s rare in the extreme. Becker will struggle away from home. Lidsey, on the current premiership tracks, will be much much better. I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, poolebolton said: Becker is better than Lidsey imo. Thats from what i saw this year. But you can't make judgment really with Poland compared to the UK. As we have seen many a good rider in Poland has struggled in the UK. But overall its great for the league to have these young guys. Just as a follow up as well, I think you can make judgment with the Uk vs Poland now. I think your missing a critical part of this argument here. The premiership now, wolves apart, has 6 tracks that are not your traditional type of Uk small track. In fact we have some really, really good circuits in this league now. It’s closer to Poland than its ever been and that goes against the grain of pretty much every American rider. Hancock is hanging on for dear life trying to bring some of those American kids through the system. Australians on the other hand just fare much better. Have a look at the international teams. There is no comparison. Lidsey will pick it up, it’s essentially in his DNA to do so and 6 of the 7 tracks in the uk will aid that development massively. That he’s skipping the championship, and going straight into the premiership, this after going straight to Poland in his first European season, tells you all you need in respect of his potential vs that of Luke Becker. What did Luke average btw in Poland? Edited December 14, 2018 by acef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 19 minutes ago, acef said: The Americans are brought on small tight tracks. The away ones in the premiership now, Becker won’t know what to do with them. Take him a season or two to find his feet. Lidsey has a higher ceiling and is coming off the back of a season in Poland on big fast tracks. Not sure what he’s on about tbh. It’s not even a debate. I agree Lidsey will do better, however, Becker beat Batchelor on a massive track in one of his first few rides in a world cup. Don't think he'll have any fears of big tracks. Becker also had a few rides in Poland last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 So Luke Becker is American and we have big tracks but while he has just won the USA title ahead of Belle Vue's new signing, Ricky Wells he has like Lidsey spent a year in Poland learning their trade. Becker under the wing of Hancock did a season at Rezszow and helped them win the title with big scores meanwhile Lidsey was at Leszno but rode for their sister track of Rawicz and averaged 2.00 compared to 1.71 a ride for Becker so there isn't much in them both and remember Swindon is much smaller next season if they find the shovel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces High Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 Fingers crossed both Becker and Lidsey are good, I would have been happy with either. Don't see why it has to be an either/or. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) 47 minutes ago, INCOGNITO said: So Luke Becker is American and we have big tracks but while he has just won the USA title ahead of Belle Vue's new signing, Ricky Wells he has like Lidsey spent a year in Poland learning their trade. Becker under the wing of Hancock did a season at Rezszow and helped them win the title with big scores meanwhile Lidsey was at Leszno but rode for their sister track of Rawicz and averaged 2.00 compared to 1.71 a ride for Becker so there isn't much in them both and remember Swindon is much smaller next season if they find the shovel What were their combined season ending averages? Edited December 14, 2018 by acef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Aces High said: Fingers crossed both Becker and Lidsey are good, I would have been happy with either. Don't see why it has to be an either/or. Don’t think it’s a case of either or, at least not from my point of view, my argument is that currently Jamion is slightly ahead of Becker. I hope luke does well, it’s been a long time since an American came over and did anything of note at the top level. Once Hancock is done there will be nobody to replace the flag he’s been carrying whereas there will be many Aussies The more I think about it the more I’m inclined to believe that going to Wolves is a poor career choice for Luke. Edited December 14, 2018 by acef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 55 minutes ago, JCookie said: I agree Lidsey will do better, however, Becker beat Batchelor on a massive track in one of his first few rides in a world cup. Don't think he'll have any fears of big tracks. Becker also had a few rides in Poland last season. I thought he did the whole season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Scrutton Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 Nice to see the Colts full of up and coming young riders That is what the N.L is all about they may not all make it to the top but they have the chance to 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie456 Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 4 hours ago, acef said: They have. I don’t disagree. His ceiling is very high. He will average over 5 imo. The top flight now has a lot of big tracks. Only Wolves will present a challenge. Plus Ipswich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, Wolfie456 said: Plus Ipswich Since they widened the bends and put banking in, it rides like a big track. It’s all by the boards at Ipswich now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 5 hours ago, acef said: Lidsey is unknown, but I’d bet my mortgage he’s one of the stronger reserves in the league. He’s been hyped up and for good reason. Has he though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, John Scrutton said: Nice to see the Colts full of up and coming young riders That is what the N.L is all about they may not all make it to the top but they have the chance to But no room for Jack Smith? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, acef said: Since they widened the bends and put banking in, it rides like a big track. It’s all by the boards at Ipswich now If you say so..... Take it you didn't see many meetings there this year? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 hours ago, acef said: Since they widened the bends and put banking in, it rides like a big track. It’s all by the boards at Ipswich now The 265 m white line is still a good option if you have the technical ability to use it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, 2ndbendbeerhut said: If you say so..... Take it you didn't see many meetings there this year? Non at all. But then I don’t need to. Social media has a presence these days. Besides, I’m at the NSS every week. Say no more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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