Ray Stadia Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 16 hours ago, cityrebel said: Surely if you cough up the bond, that should entitle you to a seat at the table. A sport like speedway needs fresh ideas, not the same old voices. I don't know what the bond is, but presume you either place a certain amount of money into a speedway trust or you pledge/guarantee a certain amount of money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 On 11/3/2018 at 10:31 AM, bigred said: BMR should not be allowed a licence until all money’s are paid to this years riders end of. If and that's a big IF there is money outstanding to any riders then just take it out of the bond (it is suggested a bond is well into 5 figures).So we can all presume there is no money outstanding now!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 22 hours ago, Hawk127 said: I am sure you are right but. What could the BSPA do if for example an overseas club (German, Dutch, French etc.) decided to rent a track in the U.K. and put racing on using licensed riders from their own country? Racing under their own country rules and not using riders attached to U.K. clubs I cannot see that it would be anything to do with the BSPA. A bit like American football renting Wembley albeit not as grand. If a track owner wants to rent the stadia out to the highest bidder and that bidder is an overseas club which can arrange all the necessary insurances, medical cover etc. who could stop it happening? It is just a thought and I have not drilled down to the cost etc. but would it be a restriction of trade if the BSPA tried to block it? What a great suggestion. How about Rye House entering the Polish league, I would guess the Polish would love to have access to all the polish people in England, afterall there has been mutterings about a European League for some years. What could the BSPA do, ban Woffinden, Dudek, Zmarzlik, Hancock, Pedersen Holder C, etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 22 minutes ago, Rayleigh said: If and that's a big IF there is money outstanding to any riders then just take it out of the bond (it is suggested a bond is well into 5 figures).So we can all presume there is no money outstanding now!! No so, according to Chris Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 18 hours ago, cityrebel said: Surely if you cough up the bond, that should entitle you to a seat at the table. A sport like speedway needs fresh ideas, not the same old voices. Yeah, but dullards like Chapman and Godfrey see that the other way round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 32 minutes ago, Rayleigh said: What a great suggestion. How about Rye House entering the Polish league, I would guess the Polish would love to have access to all the polish people in England, afterall there has been mutterings about a European League for some years. What could the BSPA do, ban Woffinden, Dudek, Zmarzlik, Hancock, Pedersen Holder C, etc etc It's a fantasy to suggest that all Polish people love speedway, the vast majority have probably never heard of it. It's only in certain parts of the country, mainly the big cities, that it is popular. How many Poles attend British speedway, very few i reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, cityrebel said: It's a fantasy to suggest that all Polish people love speedway, the vast majority have probably never heard of it. It's only in certain parts of the country, mainly the big cities, that it is popular. How many Poles attend British speedway, very few i reckon. Sadly the lack of Polish spectators is probably more to do with lack of publicity rather than lack of interest. That probably goes for potential spectators of all nationalities. The one track I visited this year regularly failed to have the right date of the next meeting on the sign outside the stadium! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 41 minutes ago, cityrebel said: No so, according to Chris Harris. Then he should contact the BSPA direct, the bond is there to cover any outstanding debts, is it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rayleigh said: Then he should contact the BSPA direct, the bond is there to cover any outstanding debts, is it not? Not if the debts far exceed the bond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 22 minutes ago, cityrebel said: It's a fantasy to suggest that all Polish people love speedway, the vast majority have probably never heard of it. It's only in certain parts of the country, mainly the big cities, that it is popular. How many Poles attend British speedway, very few i reckon. If a Liverpool fan lived in Sydney and an English footballer played for Sydney Utd he might not attend, but if Sydney Utd played Liverpool in the league then I bet he would go. And anyway how about English fans flocking to see the worlds stars, afterall haven't we been told that if we can lure them back to England the sport would flourish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, cityrebel said: Not if the debts far exceed the bond. And if they get anything it`s at "standard pay" scale which will be a fraction of what they are owed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 18 minutes ago, cityrebel said: Not if the debts far exceed the bond. I understood that even in thr NL the bond was around £30,000 so even if Harris was on £2,000 per meeting Rye House did not ride that many matches. cityrebel as you seem to know Harris, can you confirm did he get some money? and did he approach the BSPA?. All riders should be paid fullstop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, Rayleigh said: I understood that even in thr NL the bond was around £30,000 so even if Harris was on £2,000 per meeting Rye House did not ride that many matches. cityrebel as you seem to know Harris, can you confirm did he get some money? and did he approach the BSPA?. All riders should be paid fullstop I don't know him, I'm just going by an interview he gave last month. He said the money owed hit him hard financially. I've heard plenty of rumours from people in the know, regarding riders being out of pocket. A public forum is not the place for such matters to be discussed. Harris went public with his grievances, that's why i mentioned it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byker Biker Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Rayleigh said: What a great suggestion. How about Rye House entering the Polish league, I would guess the Polish would love to have access to all the polish people in England, afterall there has been mutterings about a European League for some years. What could the BSPA do, ban Woffinden, Dudek, Zmarzlik, Hancock, Pedersen Holder C, etc etc Yes if they race on an ACU licence because they cannot race for another Federation without start permission form their own governing body under FIM rules. There is lots of misinformation on various threads at the moment where posters are looking at a short term loopholes, this really isn't the basis for taking the job forward it's not practical or ethical and whilst it may serve the needs of a minority it sure ain't gonna fix the sport. After all it's short termism that got the sport where it is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 I am a bit confused what the bond is for? Is it to protect the riders? The stadium owners? Tuners who haven't been paid? Or does it protect the remaining promoters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 28 minutes ago, cityrebel said: I don't know him, I'm just going by an interview he gave last month. He said the money owed hit him hard financially. I've heard plenty of rumours from people in the know, regarding riders being out of pocket. A public forum is not the place for such matters to be discussed. Harris went public with his grievances, that's why i mentioned it. Im confused, you say a public forum in the place and then you say Harris went public. I do not expect Harris to state his earnings or how much he is owed, but my question was has he approached the BSPA regarding payment from the bond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byker Biker Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Ray Stadia said: I am a bit confused what the bond is for? Is it to protect the riders? The stadium owners? Tuners who haven't been paid? Or does it protect the remaining promoters? In house debts; riders wages at BSPA rate, SCB fees, BSPA fees, loan fees, insurance, monies owed to other clubs, fines that's about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Byker Biker said: In house debts; riders wages at BSPA rate, SCB fees, BSPA fees, loan fees, insurance, monies owed to other clubs, fines that's about it. I wouldn`t be surprised if riders wages come at the end of that list. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, Rayleigh said: Im confused, you say a public forum in the place and then you say Harris went public. I do not expect Harris to state his earnings or how much he is owed, but my question was has he approached the BSPA regarding payment from the bond. Harris stated in an interview he was owed for nine meetings by the Rye House promotion. That interview is in the public domain. That is why i mentioned it. It's not that hard to understand, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, cityrebel said: Harris stated in an interview he was owed for nine meetings by the Rye House promotion. That interview is in the public domain. That is why i mentioned it. It's not that hard to understand, is it? I wonder why he allowed what he was owed to run as long as 9 meetings? I think I would have smelt a rat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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