Rayleigh Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 7 hours ago, cityrebel said: What Rye House fans. Where were they earlier in the season. Why didn't they support their club to stop it going bust. I'm a neutral that attended both venues on a regular basis, and i say it how i see it. Clubs moving into another tracks home rarely succeeds. I hope it works if Lakeside do stay at Rye, but both parties have to up their game big time. If you attended matches at Rye House on a regular basis then you would have noticed: 1) crowds last year were mostly over 1,000 and sometimes 2,000, granted it was a higher standard of racing, the team was clearly motivated, mildly successful and it was also probably swollen with Lakeside fans rejecting NL. 2) crowds this year 700 to about 1,200 team atmosphere and lack of effort from some riders was noticeably different and Fixed Race Nights were a disaster and Lakeside (a very good Lakeside) back in the Championship and certain riders hugely overpaid (naïve by the management but everybody moans that they want some top riders back in English Speedway but boy are they costly) 3) First Lakeside match at Rye House the crowd was quite good and I saw a lot of Rye House fans there, steadily those fans have stopped going, from people I have spoken to it was partly due to unappreciative comments aimed at their club from certain Lakeside fans. The point I tried to make was "there are NOT enough Lakeside fans going to Rye House to make it viable" (what ever the reason is it doesn't matter, its just a fact) so they need some Rye House fans (points 1 or 2) to attend the Lakeside matches. Rye House did not go bust allegedly, if some riders were paid late (I don't know but lets presume so) look at Workington this year admitting the same, There have been rumours many times in the past that other teams have had a late payment history Finally each club are meant to pay a bond to the BSPA for their licence so surely if any club does not pay its riders then the money can come from the bond. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 If the Hammers do stay at RH, then they will almost certainly have to change their name to help 'locals' identify with the team and build support . It remains a huge gamble though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 Look, if you think the crowds were at those levels, then you have a different opinion to me. There were strong rumours that the club was losing money weeks before the BSPA pulled the plug. I was a big critic of Len Silver during his reign, but Rye was a far better place then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noaksey Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 Douglas stepping aside. Official site 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 14 minutes ago, cityrebel said: Look, if you think the crowds were at those levels, then you have a different opinion to me. There were strong rumours that the club was losing money weeks before the BSPA pulled the plug. I was a big critic of Len Silver during his reign, but Rye was a far better place then. I have seen the numbers, they are correct. As for "Uncle" Len, you forget how bad the crowds were in the last few years (this time only I am only using the eyesight test) Some stands were rumoured to be condemned. It was the second time he sold the club in a complete mess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) On 10/30/2018 at 9:19 PM, mikebv said: If this happens would Lakeside have to change their name to Seaside? Moving a Speedway team out of its area of emotional attachment simply doesn't work.. Crowds are not large enough in the first place to do what for example MK Dons managed as they had the football windfall cash to fall back on if crowds were poor.. If you are only getting 500 or so 'loyal local followers' then moving it several tens of miles away can only reduce that meagre crowd level further. And won't get many of the locals from the new base to attend as its not 'their team'.. I would suggest the only way to make it work for the promoters is to take over at another track and change names... Sad to see, but just one track of several more to go over the next few years I would say.. British Speedway reaping what it has sowed for far, far too long.. I didn't word my earlier post very well. What I meant was Jon Cook returning to Eastbourne and applying for them to join the Championship. Now that Stuart has stepped aside from Lakeside this may happen. In the meantime Lakeside's licence has been put on ice unless someone comes forward by the 12th November. Edited November 1, 2018 by tocha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 The fat lady is singing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 That's a bad bad sign him going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 16 minutes ago, ruckerroo said: That's a bad bad sign him going. No financial backer, No Promotor, No Track. For Cook to have plans at Eastbourne, these must have happened since Monday, I think not. Rye House were just used to complete the season. So sorry for the loyal fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 A sad but expected end for the Hammers. A miracle is needed to find a new site in essex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 I hope Cook does go and promote another club, certain people have wanted Cook gone for years, so now if you get your wish let’s see who steps forward and takes over our club afterall there must be loads of people wanting to do it who can do a better job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 He could end up back at Eastbourne. The likes of Brennan and Wood need to progress, staying in the NL is just treading water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 Who is going to take over a club with no viable home..Would you even if you were rich enough to do it..unlikely i think..We just have to hope but time is short.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 18 minutes ago, waco said: Who is going to take over a club with no viable home..Would you even if you were rich enough to do it..unlikely i think..We just have to hope but time is short.... No one will which has always been the case but some people wanted him gone so looks like they will now get their wish, wonder where they will all go to watch their speedway now though? Just have to hope all these people queuing up to promote a speedway club step up and take over the hammers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, waco said: Who is going to take over a club with no viable home..Would you even if you were rich enough to do it..unlikely i think..We just have to hope but time is short.... It was rumoured that Oxford would have been a viable spot to resurrect the sport possibly using the Lakeside licence, however you are moving further out of London and another 70 to 90 miles further away from Rye and Arena Essex, I am setting myself up here however is this a possibility worth exploring or am I being Totally Ridiculous? Regards THJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMER180 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, liam said: No one will which has always been the case but some people wanted him gone so looks like they will now get their wish, wonder where they will all go to watch their speedway now though? Just have to hope all these people queuing up to promote a speedway club step up and take over the hammers. its stuart that's going not jon at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMER180 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 sad sad day looks like it well for a few years anyway the only light at the end of the tunnel is stuart saying that Thurrock council are still on board re the new track. maybe they should now come forward and state how viable it really is as if fans are left hanging for years then they will move on to other clubs or other things. I must admit I have let my heart rule my head regarding all this and tried to be positive for the club I love but now sadly it looks like the fat lady is clearing her throat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 Just read the article from Stuart Douglas, one word comes to mind CLASSY 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARENA SHRIMPER Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) This weeks Speedway Star has some very positive comments from Jon Cook regarding staying at Rye House. Edited November 1, 2018 by ARENA SHRIMPER 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, Rayleigh said: Just read the article from Stuart Douglas, one word comes to mind CLASSY Except that he copied most of it from President Nixon's resignation speech, the word 'tacky' comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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