lakeside 2019

[E I Addio]

The other thing is that when the 211 fans turned up it was at the end of that run of rain offs and double headers we half the time we didn't know whether matches were on or off. The last meeting at Lakeside drew a huge crowd and the crowds at Rye were pretty good at first till it was all messed up with the weather.

its also the case that the stock car crowds were falling off dramatically in the last few years, only kept up by a few big meetings per year. If the stocks were more profitable it's unlikely the owners would have pulled out as early as they did.

[The Doctor...]

1 hour ago, gustix said:

Hmmm!!! An indication as to how far Lakeside Hammers' supporters are prepared to travel when matches were not/are not staged at Arena Essex? Yet there is a reputed search on for a new venue in Thurrock.

That's not exactly a fair comment there John. It must be 30 odd miles between the two tracks.  Not sure that your beloved New Cross or Wimbledon would get big numbers if they had to ride in say Luton or Gravesend..

Good luck to all involved in the Lakeside cause.

 

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, E I Addio said:

The other thing is that when the 211 fans turned up it was at the end of that run of rain offs and double headers we half the time we didn't know whether matches were on or off. The last meeting at Lakeside drew a huge crowd and the crowds at Rye were pretty good at first till it was all messed up with the weather.

its also the case that the stock car crowds were falling off dramatically in the last few years, only kept up by a few big meetings per year. If the stocks were more profitable it's unlikely the owners would have pulled out as early as they did.

That's an interesting Post and very straightforward in putting forward a valid point of view.

However, 'huge crowd' at the final Lakeside Hammers speedway meeting at Arena Essex. I am fairly certain I saw somewhere on FACEBOOK a mention of 800?

When New Cross closed in 1953 because of low attendances it was 10 times that. And that's an attendance not seen for a domestic league match of any sort in British speedway for many years.

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[Cliv Clav]

59 minutes ago, gustix said:

That's an interesting Post and very straightforward in putting forward a valid point of view.

However, 'huge crowd' at the final Lakeside Hammers speedway meeting at Arena Essex. I am fairly certain I saw somewhere on FACEBOOK a mention of 800?

When New Cross closed in 1953 because of low attendances it was 10 times that. And that's an attendance not seen for a domestic league match of any sort in British speedway for many years.

3000 was the attendance for the last meeting at Arena.  Not sure where you read 800 mate.  Just as a side note, for our free meeting that we held in 2007 against Poole, 7000 turned up and clogged up the surrounding roads leading to Arena Essex.

[Guest]

I would like to clarify where my concerns lie in regard to 'saving' Lakeside aka Thurrock Hammers.

(1) I have no anti-feeling towards a return of the club at a new venue in Essex.

(2) My concern is in regard to the on-line petition now operating. Again, at basis this is a good idea. However, in my reasoning when Thurrock Council gave their support to the petition I am certain they thought it would only be designated for those with a LOCAL or REGULAR following of the team.

(3) In that case, Thurrock Council MAY have anticipated that it would be supported by regular followers of the Hammers and LOCAL people who would have favourable or other feelings in regard to the project.

(4) I wonder if at the stage Thurrock Council are aware the petition has been placed for national signature meaning that many of those supporting a venture to revive have no local connections to it?

(5) The previous remarks outline where my feelings in regard to a revival of Lakeside/Thurrock Hammers. I think the petition signatories should be (a) local ratepayers or (b) bona fide regular supporters of the speedway club.

As it stands there is every likelihood that many of those who have signed the online petition do not meet any of what I feel are the needed criteria to have been participants in the on-line  petition project.

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[liam]

No one cares. Just sign the petition or don’t. If it doesn’t help then it doesn’t help but no harm is done by signing it.

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[Guest]

21 minutes ago, liam said:

No one cares. Just sign the petition or don’t. If it doesn’t help then it doesn’t help but no harm is done by signing it.

Then you should care because IF there is a Thurrock Council debate on the issue those opposed will almost certainly raise the matter that the petition was on a national basis rather than a LOCAL basis.

[old bob at herne bay]

If what we are being told is true "gustix" then we allegedly have the support of Thurrock Council and the developer who are "sympathetic" to a sporting venue on the Thurrock area. 

HOWEVER what is clear is that the developer does not support paying for a new sporting venue as part of thier development plans (surprise surprise)

I doubt a petition will do any more than show that a few thousand folks are interested in a speedway track in the Thurrock area, and generate som much needed publicity for the cause.  For my part I have signed the petition.  I also supported Kent Kings planning applications.

I have previously posted my opinion on the Lakeside Hammers fans forum that unless a wealthy  potential owner can be found to lead this campaign then Hammers RIP.   Money talks.

PS You are a New Cross Supporter ? 

 

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said:

If what we are being told is true "gustix" then we allegedly have the support of Thurrock Council and the developer who are "sympathetic" to a sporting venue on the Thurrock area. 

HOWEVER what is clear is that the developer does not support paying for a new sporting venue as part of thier development plans (surprise surprise)

I doubt a petition will do any more than show that a few thousand folks are interested in a speedway track in the Thurrock area, and generate som much needed publicity for the cause.  For my part I have signed the petition.  I also supported Kent Kings planning applications.

I have previously posted my opinion on the Lakeside Hammers fans forum that unless a wealthy  potential owner can be found to lead this campaign then Hammers RIP.   Money talks.

PS You are a New Cross Supporter ? 

 

I saw my first speedway  meeting at New Cross for the opening meeting in April of the 1946 season. New Cross in a challenge match against The Rest. Riders in that match included Ron Johnson, Jack Parker, Les Wotton. New Cross won the match. Over the subsequent seasons until the 1953 I saw all the great National League teams and riders of those truly golden speedway seasons.

[liam]

8 hours ago, gustix said:

Then you should care because IF there is a Thurrock Council debate on the issue those opposed will almost certainly raise the matter that the petition was on a national basis rather than a LOCAL basis.

There might be no Thurrock Council debate on it so what’s the problem. They have backing from the council and the local MP. You’ve made your point the petition is worthless. Let’s move on

[old bob at herne bay]

Gusting, that’s great - you have a few years on me in your speedway supporting , saw my first meeting at plough lane back about 1961 , and visited New Cross in their part season in the provincial league in 1963.

I still feel privileged to have seen all the greats of the National league in the early 60s ......

[E I Addio]

On ‎12‎/‎13‎/‎2018 at 9:53 PM, gustix said:

Then you should care because IF there is a Thurrock Council debate on the issue those opposed will almost certainly raise the matter that the petition was on a national basis rather than a LOCAL basis.

 Instead of attention seeking it would be a good thing if you got yourself informed on what the petition is for. It is not for a debate.

You can go on the Thurrock council website and keep up with the news if you are genuinely interested instead of putting stupid post on here, so toddle off.