singy13 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, marko said: Without Sky Tv we would never have had the play offs, it was a made for television idea because they wanted to keep the interest up for their television audience, they were more important than the fans that go in person or the sports legitimacy. But I have said it with the Elite League in the past, there is nothing to stop a bunch of Peterborough fans getting together to have a very nice trophy made that they could present to the club, they say in sports "the table doesn't lie" well Peterborough did finish top of the table and there is no law which says your not allowed to celebrate that. St. Helens RLFC topped their RL table with ease and were given the League Leaders Shield....a nice trophy......they never made play off final.....sadly IMO.... Sky rule/ruin this sport too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lucan Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, TonyE said: That is only four meetings in total. The present system gives you six (unless Lakeside and Peterborough are involved). The whole point of the play-offs is to draw in the punters in greater numbers than usual. But are they TonyE, that's the issue, until promotion's divulge crowd figure's for ordinary league/cup meetings how can you "really" be sure that play offs do actually generate bigger crowd's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 I can't of course but the general feeling from various sources is that they do. Why else would promotions continue them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 42 minutes ago, Lord Lucan said: But are they TonyE, that's the issue, until promotion's divulge crowd figure's for ordinary league/cup meetings how can you "really" be sure that play offs do actually generate bigger crowd's? Easy to see the difference just by the open spaces being less open! Foxhall last year for the cup and play off semis and finals was heaving in comparison to the norm When you have 3500-4000 instead of the normal 1000-1200 its obvious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 you can keep the play offs but just ensure the league winners are properly recognised. League champions then have play offs for a shield - Craven/Mauger/Buzz Burrows, anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) Why not just run the league as usual until everyone has done their meetings, then,,, pull 4 names out of the hat for the play-offs ? It means that everyone still has a chance, and if you've been blighted by injuries, etc. you might still have a fair chance. Keeps everyone interested until near the end. Edited October 25, 2018 by ruffdiamond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lucan Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 3 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Easy to see the difference just by the open spaces being less open! Foxhall last year for the cup and play off semis and finals was heaving in comparison to the norm When you have 3500-4000 instead of the normal 1000-1200 its obvious Only if you're there to witness the change it is so really it's just hearsay for everyone else that's why I would want more transparency to actually believe it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 'Why run the league?' might be a more relevant topic question..... Allied to a follow up of 'Who really cares who wins?'... Given the way the Sport is allowed to be ran, you just can't take any of the the League's seriously, so I wouldn't get too embroiled in whether play offs are a fair way of settling them or not.... It doesn't really matter who wins does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 Who won the league 10 years ago? 5 years ago? 2 years ago? I bet you cant answer that. In short it doesn't matter all that much does it. What does matter is that teams come to the tapes the following season and a few big pay days at the end of the season might just make the difference, so the play offs are a good thing if you think it through. NO FANS NO MONEY NO SPEEDWAY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Rayleigh said: Who won the league 10 years ago? 5 years ago? 2 years ago? I bet you cant answer that. In short it doesn't matter all that much does it. What does matter is that teams come to the tapes the following season and a few big pay days at the end of the season might just make the difference, so the play offs are a good thing if you think it through. NO FANS NO MONEY NO SPEEDWAY Only a money spinner for the teams that make the play offs. We want ALL teams back next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 52 minutes ago, RS50 said: Only a money spinner for the teams that make the play offs. We want ALL teams back next year. Absolutely, whilst hopefully the playoff teams make some money, the non playoff teams will not lose money because they are not in the playoffs, so its still a win situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave1075 Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) No doubting the team that top the league after completing the season should be crowned champions as they have earned the right. As a point of interest what actually do they recieve from doing so. Is there a cash incentive for winning the title or does it bring in any more sponsorship or any more supporters the following season, I think not as evidence from crowds dwindling & riders calling it a day as no money is coming back into the sport. It's good to see training schools bringing on new riders & clearly they are making it pay through training fees, but what happens when these riders break through only to find they will have no competitive speedway to take part in. Sorry to say speedway is on a downward spiral and unless a complete 're think for the way ahead & an independent control board put in place can this sport get there. Edited October 26, 2018 by dave1075 Spelling mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 hour ago, dave1075 said: No doubting the team that top the league after completing the season should be crowned champions as they have earned the right. As a point of interest what actually do they recieve from doing so. Is there a cash incentive for winning the title or does it bring in any more sponsorship or any more supporters the following season, I think not as evidence from crowds dwindling & riders calling it a day as no money is coming back into the sport. It's good to see training schools bringing on new riders & clearly they are making it pay through training fees, but what happens when these riders break through only to find they will have no competitive speedway to take part in. Sorry to say speedway is on a down wood spiral and unless a complete 're think for the way ahead & an independent control board put in place can this sport get there. As clubs are generally forced to break up a title winning squad that's certainly no reward for winning the title! And what is a wood spiral? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave1075 Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 2 hours ago, iainb said: As clubs are generally forced to break up a title winning squad that's certainly no reward for winning the title! And what is a wood spiral? Should have said downward & not down wood, ( bloody prodictive text ) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 Speedway playoffs will always be unsatisfactory in so far as a team, having been consistent and successful for most of the season, and finish at top of the league table, can have it all taken from them through injuries to riders occurring during the latter part of the season and the playoffs themselves. In other sports where playoffs are used to determine the champions, clubs can rest key players from later league matches if they have sufficient margin which allows that. With Speedway clubs having no facility for that, and additionally with riders having commitments with other teams and risk of losing their services, playoffs for Speedway leagues is a very unsatisfactory and imperfect way to decide the champions. They cause too many injustices and anomalies. But the playoff advocates will say ah yes, that may be so, but look at the attendance money they generate, look at the crowds the playoff pull in. But to that I would say that playoffs also serve to reduce attendances at regular season matches, and cause the season to be still running when really it shouldn't, when availability of replacement riders becomes almost impossible, at times rendering these matches farcical and not in the sport's best interests. The development league should absolutely not use playoffs to decide it's champions. The second tier could perhaps justify one playoff match, a grand final between the two top finishers. The first tier, purely on a financial and operational justification, could justify more extensive playoffs with the league running to strict timings due to the smaller size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 Another thing is you could spend all season battering teams then encounter major problems at the end, win nothing but still have to decimate the side for the next season, ,meanwhile a team that scrapes 4th place and wins it, can go again the following season with pretty much the same side with just a minimal change to a reserve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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