AGM November 2018

[ray c]

6 hours ago, woodenspoon said:

It is a total joke, can you imagine a team in footballs Premiership, finishing 2nd in the league, and winning the cup, and then  relegating themselves, no wonder speedway and its league structures have no credibility.

buy them out then all to with finance only joking 

[Fromafar]

Think it best if “the Buster Chapman Show is left to run his circus”.The Championship looks a bit more creditable although points limit is a bit mean.Its just a joke sport .

[IainB]

4 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

Think it best if “the Buster Chapman Show is left to run his circus”.The Championship looks a bit more creditable although points limit is a bit mean.Its just a joke sport .

The Chapmanship and The Championship

[Spl77]

Coming from Ipswich I find it a little strange as I don't think anyone could foresee Louis selling up especially to be brought by another current promotion. 

However it seemed to work OK when Pavitt Louis snr. & Western ran both Hackney & Ipswich for a couple of seasons. 

[Wolfsbane]

At this rate by 2020 the Premiership season will start with the play off semis in april and end with the final in october. 

[Daniel Smith]

I've worked a few Championship teams out and even with the low 38 average it's still full of doubling down/up rider's.

I've a whole team of 7 doubling up with my made-up line-up and it includes Cook on his Championship 10.45 average.

The only way to combat the problem is that rider's that rode Premiership and Championship has their Premiership averages converted immediately. If not, this doubling isn't going to end.

The other issue then, more likely than not, some rider's will throw points away in the Premiership to lower their average substantially to compensate for the year on year conversion rate increase. 

While the new conversion rates look good and the lower team average in the Championship it's now opened itself up to a whole host of other problems, especially the rider's in the Premiership. 

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

6 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said:

The only way to combat the problem is that rider's that rode Premiership and Championship has their Premiership averages converted immediately. If not, this doubling isn't going to end.

This is a point I also raised and I agree that resetting the conversion straight away would work in reducing yhe numbers

It may be just a bit more drastic than could be coped with over 1 winter though

[cityrebel]

11 hours ago, Spl77 said:

Coming from Ipswich I find it a little strange as I don't think anyone could foresee Louis selling up especially to be brought by another current promotion. 

However it seemed to work OK when Pavitt Louis snr. & Western ran both Hackney & Ipswich for a couple of seasons. 

Until Hackney started to lose money, and they got out sharpish!

[montie]

9 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

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While the new conversion rates look good and the lower team average in the Championship it's now opened itself up to a whole host of other problems, especially the rider's in the Premiership. 

having seen the recent wage demands of two riders slighly over a 4 average,i think the penny has dropped that all the clowns have done by reducing the average in the CL is to increase the value of lower avaerge riders

the two i saw were asking for more than Scunny`s top 3 cost last year

there simply isnt enough riders in the 4 to 5 point bracket to go around--

 

running at 38 points will not reduce cost one bit,it just moves the cost elsewhere

 

better to have gone with 6 rider teams and created a surplus,this would have done more to reduce cost than a lower limit

[Barrow Boy 2]

11 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

This is a point I also raised and I agree that resetting the conversion straight away would work in reducing yhe numbers

It may be just a bit more drastic than could be coped with over 1 winter though

I have already posted on this matter asking if anyone knows if 2018 BPL averages apply or will existing BCL 2018 averages be used.  Does anyone indeed know for sure which way it will go?

[Buttons]

I thought I had heard that it was a rule that no promoter could run two clubs in the same league, of course I could be dreaming

[moxey63]

The Glasgow promotion has thrown tons of money to push awareness of the sport in the city. But it hasn't worked. Indeed, the club has sent out a warning and reverted to the tried and tested formula of allowing volunteers to raise part of the club running costs. We have had over the last 20 years so much live speedway on our screens to encourage any younger person to become interested. It hasn't worked. Promoters haven't a clue. Fans believe they have ideas to sort it out but clash when pitched against the ideas of another fan. Reading the Speedway Star is so depressing. We had a glimmer of hope with the Writing On The Wall edition last week. But that did little to halt a further decline in the sport and nothing really mouth watering came from the AGM. Trying to encourage new people is like flogging a dead horse. Current fans will continue to become discouraged over the next year or two and realise there is no point of following a sport in which the rules are not worth keeping track of and we look at the future of the sport as far ahead as the next meeting. Teams are banded together like a school football match for a PE lesson. You really begin to believe it's a waste of time putting too much energy into supporting it; like a week is a long time for a speedway track. Here today, gone tomorrow. This week is even more distressing than the pre-AGM build up. Who is excited about 2019 and is actually wishing the days away for the start of March and a brand new season? I remember those days. At least next spring is only six months away from another crucial AGM.

Edited November 16, 2018 by moxey63

[Chris116]

1 hour ago, Buttons said:

I thought I had heard that it was a rule that no promoter could run two clubs in the same league, of course I could be dreaming

The important word is "Promoter". Buster is "Owner" of three teams but not "Promoter" of three teams. 

I suspect that the original rule makers thought of Owner and Promoter as the same thing and the new idea of having the "Promoter" as a member of paid staff did not cross their minds!

[SPEEDY69]

3 hours ago, montie said:

having seen the recent wage demands of two riders slighly over a 4 average,i think the penny has dropped that all the clowns have done by reducing the average in the CL is to increase the value of lower avaerge riders

the two i saw were asking for more than Scunny`s top 3 cost last year

there simply isnt enough riders in the 4 to 5 point bracket to go around--

 

running at 38 points will not reduce cost one bit,it just moves the cost elsewhere

 

better to have gone with 6 rider teams and created a surplus,this would have done more to reduce cost than a lower limit

I hope they are both told to 'do one', from all tracks.  A business has to budget realistically.

 

[iwright71]

1 hour ago, moxey63 said:

The Glasgow promotion has thrown tons of money to push awareness of the sport in the city. But it hasn't worked. Indeed, the club has sent out a warning and reverted to the tried and tested formula of allowing volunteers to raise part of the club running costs. We have had over the last 20 years so much live speedway on our screens to encourage any younger person to become interested. It hasn't worked. Promoters haven't a clue. Fans believe they have ideas to sort it out but clash when pitched against the ideas of another fan. Reading the Speedway Star is so depressing. We had a glimmer of hope with the Writing On The Wall edition last week. But that did little to halt a further decline in the sport and nothing really mouth watering came from the AGM. Trying to encourage new people is like flogging a dead horse. Current fans will continue to become discouraged over the next year or two and realise there is no point of following a sport in which the rules are not worth keeping track of and we look at the future of the sport as far ahead as the next meeting. Teams are banded together like a school football match for a PE lesson. You really begin to believe it's a waste of time putting too much energy into supporting it; like a week is a long time for a speedway track. Here today, gone tomorrow. This week is even more distressing than the pre-AGM build up. Who is excited about 2019 and is actually wishing the days away for the start of March and a brand new season? I remember those days. At least next spring is only six months away from another crucial AGM.

They have got a bit of a front at Glasgow. They come in ,throw money around like confetti , sign a Grand Prix rider to ride in the 2nd Division then have the nerve to complain their losing money.

[SteveLyric2]

Have Chris Louis and Ged Rathbone actually 'sold up or out' to Buster Chapman?

The statements use the phrase 'reached a commercial agreement' or similar, which can mean all sorts of things.

I wonder how long the 'ownership' will continue?  Having got the League structure agreed, lots can change before the season actually starts, not least when BSPA Ltd becomes active.

[steve roberts]

19 minutes ago, Chris116 said:

The important word is "Promoter". Buster is "Owner" of three teams but not "Promoter" of three teams. 

I suspect that the original rule makers thought of Owner and Promoter as the same thing and the new idea of having the "Promoter" as a member of paid staff did not cross their minds!

Nothing new really. There was the Allied Presentations consortium back during the late sixties early seventies although each member did appear to run a track independantly. However I do recall Reg Fearman having 'thumbs' at different tracks. Tony Mole was another who bought up stadiums/promotions duting the nineties

[moxey63]

2 minutes ago, iwright71 said:

They have got a bit of a front at Glasgow. They come in ,throw money around like confetti , sign a Grand Prix rider to ride in the 2nd Division then have the nerve to complain their losing money.

I thought they were trying to give it their best shot, something many so-called promoters haven't done, try to extend the sport out to the wider public and make it more aware of what's happening. We have seen it many many times in the past. Promoters come in and try, then disappear with heavy losses. You can't criticise them for thinking, perhaps, that other than the few hundred that gather on match nights might have been persuaded by their efforts. They are businessmen, after all. It does appear as if there are no benefits on promoting a speedway club by throwing the cash around as they have done. The only people really interested are those you already have through the turnstiles. That is a worry.

[Ghosty]

So many things in Speedway are simple & easy - then they get made complicated.  One of Speedway greatest "simple" things is riders are (should be) paid per point scored, if promoters set sensible, realistic & affordable rates per point for each league & all agree to stick to those rates speedway in the U.K. would be in a much better place!

Riders will then know what's on offer wherever they ride & cut their cloth to suit. If the rates are not except-able they need to look elsewhere for employment. 

[Daniel Smith]

Simple solution to wage demands is to take that option away all together.

Fixed rate pay per point regardless.

Premiership £150pp

Championship £60pp

National League £30pp

Also, I think bonus points should only be paid for heat advantages.