Popular Post dhr Posted November 9, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 8 hours ago, foamfence said: Yes but he still gave up his job to go back to it. I’ll tell you exactly what I was on if it is of such importance, it’s no secret, £60 per point, 15pence per mile and £1000 sign on fee which was split into two parts, now I don’t know exactly the amount of points I scored so let’s say 300 max and I’m being nice to myself 300 x 60=£18000, great wages, Now let’s take out the 10k it cost me to race so that’s 8k from April until mid August, not bad but not great wages BUT I have a job, I don’t expect speedway to pay 24/7 anymore, anyone who thinks that the majority of speedway riders are earning loads are deluded. Now please, don’t get me misconstrued I get that riders cannot demand what isn’t there but please, please don’t think riders are on mega bucks because it simply isn’t true 7 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, dhr said: I’ll tell you exactly what I was on if it is of such importance, it’s no secret, £60 per point, 15pence per mile and £1000 sign on fee which was split into two parts, now I don’t know exactly the amount of points I scored so let’s say 300 max and I’m being nice to myself 300 x 60=£18000, great wages, Now let’s take out the 10k it cost me to race so that’s 8k from April until mid August, not bad but not great wages BUT I have a job, I don’t expect speedway to pay 24/7 anymore, anyone who thinks that the majority of speedway riders are earning loads are deluded. Now please, don’t get me misconstrued I get that riders cannot demand what isn’t there but please, please don’t think riders are on mega bucks because it simply isn’t true How many meetings did you do this season for Berwick ? Did you double up ? I totally agree your piece in the star about the bikes , it costs way more than is needed Edited November 9, 2018 by THE DEAN MACHINE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke Potter Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 8 Grand in 4 and a half months! 1800 quid a month... How many meetings is that? We'll call a meeting a full days work and then add another day's work for meeting prep... So many "days" work to get 8 grand? On the bigger picture, I've not yet read this weeks Star cover to cover bit I've not yet picked up on anyone saying the tracks need to be fixed, apart from Andy Meredith wittering on about everybody getting decent shale - that won't help with the poor size/shape of most of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhr Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: How many meetings did you do this season for Berwick ? Did you double up ? To be honest dean I have no idea how many or how many points I scored, that isn’t the point I am trying to make, and no I didn’t double up. The point I am trying to make here is that riders are not on what “some” people think there are. now if we get to the real crux of the argument it’s different, riders cannot demand what isn’t there and this me,me, me attitude can’t be sustained. We need to work together, riders, promoters and fans to get this great sport back on track. i am lucky I didn’t work from 1998-2014, now I never had any real money but bloody hell I had a good life, I gave up my job for 5 months knowing I could go back, not for the money but for the life but as soon as it was over I was back at work, it’s the only way I could race 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhr Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Stoke Potter said: 8 Grand in 4 and a half months! 1800 quid a month... How many meetings is that? We'll call a meeting a full days work and then add another day's work for meeting prep... So many "days" work to get 8 grand? On the bigger picture, I've not yet read this weeks Star cover to cover bit I've not yet picked up on anyone saying the tracks need to be fixed, apart from Andy Meredith wittering on about everybody getting decent shale - that won't help with the poor size/shape of most of them. Exactly, my point is I raced because I wanted to, because I wanted to prove something to myself, not because I was going to earn millions. I am better off not racing, but is life as good? Hell no. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davet Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, Stoke Potter said: 8 Grand in 4 and a half months! 1800 quid a month... How many meetings is that? We'll call a meeting a full days work and then add another day's work for meeting prep... So many "days" work to get 8 grand? On the bigger picture, I've not yet read this weeks Star cover to cover bit I've not yet picked up on anyone saying the tracks need to be fixed, apart from Andy Meredith wittering on about everybody getting decent shale - that won't help with the poor size/shape of most of them. But most of the tracks have been the same shape for years and there have been no complaints (or not many) until recently. If the modern bikes cannot be properly controlled on British tracks then surely it is the bikes which are not fit for purpose, not the tracks. This trend towards slicker and slicker tracks just to accommodate the lay downs is ruining the sport. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke Potter Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, Davet said: But most of the tracks have been the same shape for years and there have been no complaints Yes there have. Crowds have been crap for years - Sky money has been bailing the sport out. Most races at most tracks are over by the back straight, if not the first bend. There is next to no racing - the reason for this is that most tracks are not conducive to proper racing/passing due to their size, shape, preparation, etc. In short, it's boring that's why nobody goes. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke Potter Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 30 minutes ago, dhr said: Exactly, my point is I raced because I wanted to, because I wanted to prove something to myself, not because I was going to earn millions. I am better off not racing, but is life as good? Hell no. You didn't answer how many days work to get that 8 grand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhr Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Stoke Potter said: You didn't answer how many days work to get that 8 grand! Probably average 2 meetings a week so that’s £900 per week and like I said not bad wages, BUT if you read my first post I am willing to work 8 months of the year, the days where riders can live off speedway are gone atm. So if you divide that 8k by 52 weeks that’s £152 per week, can you live on that? I can’t and I don’t expect to and that’s why I drive lorries 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 1 hour ago, dhr said: I’ll tell you exactly what I was on if it is of such importance, it’s no secret, £60 per point, 15pence per mile and £1000 sign on fee which was split into two parts, now I don’t know exactly the amount of points I scored so let’s say 300 max and I’m being nice to myself 300 x 60=£18000, great wages, Now let’s take out the 10k it cost me to race so that’s 8k from April until mid August, not bad but not great wages BUT I have a job, I don’t expect speedway to pay 24/7 anymore, anyone who thinks that the majority of speedway riders are earning loads are deluded. Now please, don’t get me misconstrued I get that riders cannot demand what isn’t there but please, please don’t think riders are on mega bucks because it simply isn’t true So why attach this to my post, If you read the thread, I made no suggestions as to earnings? Anyway your clarity should remove any speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhr Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 1 minute ago, foamfence said: So why attach this to my post, If you read the thread, I made no suggestions as to earnings? Anyway your clarity should remove any speculation. I mean no offence to you but you said I still gave up my job hinting that we earn loads, apologies for any offence at all as it wasn’t meant or implied 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 9 hours ago, montie said: you mention clubs reducing cost yet then seem to suggest a pay structure that would increase cost there are very few riders in the Championship of £80/point now sadly that level of payment would take 50% of the clubs out the league and bust the rest within 6 months its basic ecconomics The bellow from David Howe 16 minutes ago, dhr said: Probably average 2 meetings a week so that’s £900 per week and like I said not bad wages, BUT if you read my first post I am willing to work 8 months of the year, the days where riders can live off speedway are gone atm. So if you divide that 8k by 52 weeks that’s £152 per week, can you live on that? I can’t and I don’t expect to and that’s why I drive lorries With his average at 5.91 and earning around £900 2 meetings a week that's very close to £80. £76.14pp in fact. So if Howe is earning near that (no disrespect intended to you David as hope you understand), what the hell are the likes of Cook, Harris, Schlein, King etc earning from the 2nd tier??? IMO if every rider had a maximum wage of £80pp, Championship clubs would save, and save a lot with the rider's mentioned wouldn't go anywhere near the Championship at £80pp as David says, the costs outway the income and for me, at Championship level, that's exactly the way it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke Potter Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 41 minutes ago, dhr said: Probably average 2 meetings a week so that’s £900 per week and like I said not bad wages, BUT if you read my first post I am willing to work 8 months of the year, the days where riders can live off speedway are gone atm. So if you divide that 8k by 52 weeks that’s £152 per week, can you live on that? I can’t and I don’t expect to and that’s why I drive lorries Good on you for doing it, that's exactly how most Speedway riders should be in this country. If Speedway was year round that's damn good earnings for what amounts to part-time work, albeit with massive personal risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: The bellow from David Howe With his average at 5.91 and earning around £900 2 meetings a week that's very close to £80. £76.14pp in fact. So if Howe is earning near that (no disrespect intended to you David as hope you understand), what the hell are the likes of Cook, Harris, Schlein, King etc earning from the 2nd tier??? IMO if every rider had a maximum wage of £80pp, Championship clubs would save, and save a lot with the rider's mentioned wouldn't go anywhere near the Championship at £80pp as David says, the costs outway the income and for me, at Championship level, that's exactly the way it should be. If you put that £80pp cap in place then quite probably even those you list wouldnt be taking a huge cut David isnt the only one Ive heard say they are earning the same or less per point than 10 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhr Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 21 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: The bellow from David Howe With his average at 5.91 and earning around £900 2 meetings a week that's very close to £80. £76.14pp in fact. So if Howe is earning near that (no disrespect intended to you David as hope you understand), what the hell are the likes of Cook, Harris, Schlein, King etc earning from the 2nd tier??? IMO if every rider had a maximum wage of £80pp, Championship clubs would save, and save a lot with the rider's mentioned wouldn't go anywhere near the Championship at £80pp as David says, the costs outway the income and for me, at Championship level, that's exactly the way it should be. I also said that I said that was over 300 points and I doubt very much i scored that many points, I’m quite sure someone on here will figure out exactly what I scored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 35 minutes ago, dhr said: I also said that I said that was over 300 points and I doubt very much i scored that many points, I’m quite sure someone on here will figure out exactly what I scored From BSPA site 26 Berwick meetings in 2018 scoring 162 points plus 21 bonus points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 Harris comments are Laughable,we need to keep him earning as he wasn’t very bright,and has no other way of earning a living.Aye Right Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 Fair play to David Howe for revealing his points money,but as others have said what kind of money are most of the Champoinship riders are on,judging on crowd levels at most tracks it’s easy to see why most are in financial difficulty. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 10 hours ago, MattK said: Who wants doubling up to end? The fans maybe, but I can't believe that riders (who earn more money) or clubs (who save on costs) would want it to end. Just the most important people then.... Chris Harris' comments this week absolutely epitomise how far removed from reality most riders are - their selfish approach is a huge factor in the mess UK speedway finds itself in. I am one of the long-term fans who has been disillusioned by so many things (particularly the way the sport is run for everyone but the fans) that I'm not sure I have anything vaguely resembling enthusiasm to give a toss if/when they are fixed. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argos Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 Will Buster remain as Chairman at the AGM, I thought I seen he would do it for 3 years, If he does resign who should be the new One. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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