ch958 Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 8 hours ago, poolebolton said: You can't cut the product even further. Reducing it hasnt worked and a lot of fans like seeing the best. Can't make it worse. The product is more than names. It is, or should be, four closesly fought laps of racing by riders familiar and liked by their fans. Myself, i had Steve wilcock, Martin Dixon, etc etc I didn't feel shortchanged because i wasn't watching Mauger, Ashby, etc. I saw very good racing. That's the product. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) Does anybody really believe this agm is going to be anything other than the normal tinkering ? A statement will be issued saying it’s been the best ever but behind the scenes it’s just disagreements and spats, the public will be spoon fed snipits and the clubs will be forced to say how wonderful it all went even though it was chaos ,there are some genuine promotors out there who have some good ideas but they will just get shot down because it doesn’t fit in with the rule makers, I think if I was a promoter I would send a guest replacement to the agm as nobody will listen anyway Edited October 24, 2018 by THE DEAN MACHINE 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Does anybody really believe this agm is going to be anything other than the normal tinkering ? No... But it's nice to dream and it gives some posters an opportunity to write massive long "blueprints for the future" posts to waste everybody's time Edited October 24, 2018 by iainb 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: I think if I was a promoter I would send a guest replacement to the agm as nobody will listen anyway The interesting thing is that "guest" supporters no longer turn up regularly. Another 10% of the terraces will fade away in 2019 because of the Emperor's New Clothes policy of the BSPA. Clearly many clubs can survive financially on 500 - 1000 crowds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 4 hours ago, iainb said: Probably, I have zero interest in doing anything about it though... A reasonably priced ticket and maybe a free pint and a burger or something could get me thinking about going along Many clubs don't have the income from Food, bars and beverages to be able to offer a 'package' incentive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Many clubs don't have the income from Food, bars and beverages to be able to offer a 'package' incentive! There's always an excuse... Forget it then, I ain't going to the cricket! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenspoon Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 Do Belle Vue get a vote this year at the Agm, as I feel sure that they would not want the same race nights as this year, and would prefer Friday nights again. But as per usual there is nothing from Belle Vue's promotion to say what they would like to happen in 2019, unless something was said at the "Maugers" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 We may be forced into 1 big league next year which isn’t what some promoters want but with at least 2 clubs wanting down and 1 club that we are not even sure they will have a track to race on it’s not looking good for the elite or premiership or whatever it’s called these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tigerowl Posted October 24, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 I like going to the pub and I like going to the speedway. Both of these pastimes have been in serious decline over the past few years and people have stopped going to both in droves. Some of the reasons can be found in both of these pastimes. It's hard to tempt people out of their houses and pay money for beer when they think it's overpriced and the same can apply to speedway. The pubs that just do the same thing that clearly doesn't work time and time again, and just throw their doors open expecting the public to flood in are the one's that die. This is what speedway 'promoters', by and large, tend to do. They offer a product which does not represent value for money and do nothing to keep the fans they have got, never mind attract new ones. Some pubs are thriving because they offer what the customer in their community wants. Some offer live entertainment, some offer food, some offer karaoke nights. My local offers a warm welcome, a nice pint and friendly people and it's busy most nights. The landlord drives around in a Mercedes and has a holiday home in Florida. It works where I live but wouldn't work elsewhere and the promoters have to work hard at getting their product right for the audience they want to keep and attract. To do this they need a product. The product they are offering is potentially one of the most exciting sports in the world and surely, this must be a good starting point. However, what they provide is an overpriced chaotic shambles of a sport with no direction, no identity and no credibility. They need to get back to basics. Offer a full and attractive fixture list with a team of riders that ride for one club. Not the current situation where any seven riders who pull on a race jacket is called a team. It isn't. People will moan on about the 'not enough riders to go round' myth. There are enough riders, they are just riding at the wrong level. Grand Prix riders should not be riding in the second tier, half the third tier riders should be at Championship level and the poor kids stuck in the Development League should be in the National League. If they must charge £17 to get in, at least give the fans £17 worth of entertainment. Unfortunately, 15 races of 55 seconds interspersed with 50 minutes of track grading does not justify parting with £17 in cash. The continual fixture list farce demonstrates absolutely the reasons why the promoters should not be allowed to run things for themselves. I am sure they are all successful businessmen and women in their own right but they have no idea how to work collectively for the benefit of the sport. It is all about vested interests and stabbing each other in the back. I cannot think of any other sport where the owners of the clubs run things themselves. It needs someone with authority and respect to run the sport. There needs to be some way of cutting down on the rained off meetings. Is it any wonder there is hardly any travelling support when riders refuse to turn out if someone spills so much as a cup of tea on the track. I know that if it's tipping it down at start time then there will be little chance of racing but some way of covering tracks cannot beyond the capabilities of the human race. It is also about time we stopped penalising success and rewarding failure. We go on about the lack of riders yet Joe Jacobs, who made massive progress with Belle Vue a couple of seasons ago can't get a team place the following year because his average is too high, whilst another rider who under achieved and threw tantrums was rewarded with two team places the following season because his average fitted!! Finally, the riders have got to come to their senses. If you want to be a full-time rider and are either rich or riding in Poland in front of 15,000 fans, then fair enough and good luck to you. If you are second string in the 'Championship' riding in front of 500 people, surely you cannot expect to be full-time. Look back at the Peter Oakes' Who's Who book in 1974 and the vast majority of the riders had jobs. Now, for some reason, all the riders seem to feel that they are entitled to be full-time, thereby expecting the wages that would enable them to sustain that lifestyle. It cannot continue on current crowd levels. However, having wasted half an hour of my life typing this, I expect that the 2019 season will result in three small leagues, riders riding for multiple clubs, more riders being frozen out of the sport, fixture chaos, declining crowds, arguing promoters and more tractor racing. I'm off to the pub. 17 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 "Finally, the riders have got to come to their senses. If you want to be a full-time rider and are either rich or riding in Poland in front of 15,000 fans, then fair enough and good luck to you. If you are second string in the 'Championship' riding in front of 500 people, surely you cannot expect to be full-time. Look back at the Peter Oakes' Who's Who book in 1974 and the vast majority of the riders had jobs. Now, for some reason, all the riders seem to feel that they are entitled to be full-time, thereby expecting the wages that would enable them to sustain that lifestyle. It cannot continue on current crowd levels." THIS 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 Wetherspoons, good value, clean, good products. Speedway........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 3 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: We may be forced into 1 big league next year which isn’t what some promoters want but with at least 2 clubs wanting down and 1 club that we are not even sure they will have a track to race on it’s not looking good for the elite or premiership or whatever it’s called these days What ever its called, there has to be a 'top' league to fullfill the remaining BT Sports contract - and aside from that there are a number of Championship clubs that don't want one league for fear that they will be uncompetitive - especially those that run at the weekends!! If all you can do is cobble together a side that is going to struggle from the get-go, thats a sure way to reduce your fanbase even further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 35 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: What ever its called, there has to be a 'top' league to fullfill the remaining BT Sports contract - and aside from that there are a number of Championship clubs that don't want one league for fear that they will be uncompetitive - especially those that run at the weekends!! If all you can do is cobble together a side that is going to struggle from the get-go, thats a sure way to reduce your fanbase even further. I believe the bt contract is year on year and please tell me the difference between Poole and Sheffield who finished first and last in their current leagues ? Most riders are riding in both leagues , in strength both leagues are almost Identical, the only reason not to have one big league is number of riders and there are plenty of riders who want to ride here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 hour ago, tigerowl said: I like going to the pub and I like going to the speedway. Both of these pastimes have been in serious decline over the past few years and people have stopped going to both in droves. Some of the reasons can be found in both of these pastimes. It's hard to tempt people out of their houses and pay money for beer when they think it's overpriced and the same can apply to speedway. The pubs that just do the same thing that clearly doesn't work time and time again, and just throw their doors open expecting the public to flood in are the one's that die. This is what speedway 'promoters', by and large, tend to do. They offer a product which does not represent value for money and do nothing to keep the fans they have got, never mind attract new ones. Some pubs are thriving because they offer what the customer in their community wants. Some offer live entertainment, some offer food, some offer karaoke nights. My local offers a warm welcome, a nice pint and friendly people and it's busy most nights. The landlord drives around in a Mercedes and has a holiday home in Florida. It works where I live but wouldn't work elsewhere and the promoters have to work hard at getting their product right for the audience they want to keep and attract. To do this they need a product. The product they are offering is potentially one of the most exciting sports in the world and surely, this must be a good starting point. However, what they provide is an overpriced chaotic shambles of a sport with no direction, no identity and no credibility. They need to get back to basics. Offer a full and attractive fixture list with a team of riders that ride for one club. Not the current situation where any seven riders who pull on a race jacket is called a team. It isn't. People will moan on about the 'not enough riders to go round' myth. There are enough riders, they are just riding at the wrong level. Grand Prix riders should not be riding in the second tier, half the third tier riders should be at Championship level and the poor kids stuck in the Development League should be in the National League. If they must charge £17 to get in, at least give the fans £17 worth of entertainment. Unfortunately, 15 races of 55 seconds interspersed with 50 minutes of track grading does not justify parting with £17 in cash. The continual fixture list farce demonstrates absolutely the reasons why the promoters should not be allowed to run things for themselves. I am sure they are all successful businessmen and women in their own right but they have no idea how to work collectively for the benefit of the sport. It is all about vested interests and stabbing each other in the back. I cannot think of any other sport where the owners of the clubs run things themselves. It needs someone with authority and respect to run the sport. There needs to be some way of cutting down on the rained off meetings. Is it any wonder there is hardly any travelling support when riders refuse to turn out if someone spills so much as a cup of tea on the track. I know that if it's tipping it down at start time then there will be little chance of racing but some way of covering tracks cannot beyond the capabilities of the human race. It is also about time we stopped penalising success and rewarding failure. We go on about the lack of riders yet Joe Jacobs, who made massive progress with Belle Vue a couple of seasons ago can't get a team place the following year because his average is too high, whilst another rider who under achieved and threw tantrums was rewarded with two team places the following season because his average fitted!! Finally, the riders have got to come to their senses. If you want to be a full-time rider and are either rich or riding in Poland in front of 15,000 fans, then fair enough and good luck to you. If you are second string in the 'Championship' riding in front of 500 people, surely you cannot expect to be full-time. Look back at the Peter Oakes' Who's Who book in 1974 and the vast majority of the riders had jobs. Now, for some reason, all the riders seem to feel that they are entitled to be full-time, thereby expecting the wages that would enable them to sustain that lifestyle. It cannot continue on current crowd levels. However, having wasted half an hour of my life typing this, I expect that the 2019 season will result in three small leagues, riders riding for multiple clubs, more riders being frozen out of the sport, fixture chaos, declining crowds, arguing promoters and more tractor racing. I'm off to the pub. Should be printed off and handed out pre AGM to the Promoters.... Great post... Clear demarcation between leagues will generate aspirational improvements for both riders and clubs.. With financial rewards commensurate to each level... Time to stop the ego trip of too many who want to be seen rubbing shoulders with GP superstars and get real... One rider/One club, with each team riding on nights they feel they can attract the best crowds... If you want to ride in GB them you make yourself available for every meeting or you don't ride over here... For the promoters part they put out a fixture list by the end of November, and everyone is signed up by mid December. Promoters also commit to not planning any meeting at any time knowing riders are elsewhere.. Time for GB to stand alone, it cannot compete with Sweden or Poland so don't... Get the product credible, at a realistic admission cost, and start again from there.. All agree reduced ticket prices for away fans like the Premier League do in Football (easy to ensure integrity as the away team can sell the tickets at their own track).. And all contribute to employing a marketing company to get brand "Speedway GB" out there.. Let's be honest, 99.9% of the population don't go to Speedway and not many of that number even know about it.. A huge opportunity for a progressive marketing company you would think to earn themselves some big commission given the raw material of the racing to work with... Time to stop keeping doing what hasn't worked and start doing something different and new... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 13 hours ago, mikebv said: I expect that the 2019 season will result in three small leagues, riders riding for multiple clubs, more riders being frozen out of the sport, fixture chaos, declining crowds, arguing promoters and more tractor racing. . 2 Yes, same old , same old BSPA blind belief that " all will be well". Oh Well what will be will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheese Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 After a meeting full of arguments, backstabbing and threats the best AGM ever, the BSPA have come up with plans for an exciting new era.. Doubling-up: It's clear that this is starting to become a slight problem. Teams will be limited to having 6 riders who double-up. Fixtures: There have been a few difficulties this year so from 2019 onwards all teams must have a 6 week period during June-August with no fixtures taking place. This is to ensure the annual scramble to fit everything in at the end of October takes place. Teams finishing their fixtures in early September will simply not be allowed to happen. Fixture planning: After his successful intervention this season, Rob Godfrey will compile the fixture list and any changes/re-arranged fixtures must have his approval. Guests: Teams should only use their contracted riders if a suitable guest is not available. Admission prices: In an effort to increase attendances, admission at all venues will be capped at a maximum of £10. Clubs may also add an exit charge of up to £20 which fans will be required to pay before being allowed to leave the stadium. Abandoned meeting policy: If a meeting is abandoned for any reason after the meeting has started, the captains of each team will take part in an exciting new addition. Using the Barry Briggs homologated rain-off hat, 4 coloured balls will be placed inside. For every race still to be completed, the captains will take turns and whichever colour is drawn out first is deemed to have won that race, drawn 2nd is 2nd and so on. This will take place on the centregreen and fans will be invited to watch it take place for a fee of £1 per heat. Improved presentation: Before the rider introductions on the parade both teams will be required to take part in a club war cry. All music played should be from the 1980s and 'The Final Countdown' must be played before heat 15. Failure to do so will result in the meeting being awarded to the away side. Social media: Recognising this is vital all clubs will be encouraged to keep their official websites up to date with a detailed match report expected within 48 hours. To celebrate these plans it can also be revealed that a new 'Chairman Chapman' Wulfsport coat will be available from December. Pre-order now for a guarenteed Christmas delivery - the ideal present! 2 2 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Cheese said: After a meeting full of arguments, backstabbing and threats the best AGM ever, the BSPA have come up with plans for an exciting new era.. Doubling-up: It's clear that this is starting to become a slight problem. Teams will be limited to having 6 riders who double-up. Fixtures: There have been a few difficulties this year so from 2019 onwards all teams must have a 6 week period during June-August with no fixtures taking place. This is to ensure the annual scramble to fit everything in at the end of October takes place. Teams finishing their fixtures in early September will simply not be allowed to happen. Fixture planning: After his successful intervention this season, Rob Godfrey will compile the fixture list and any changes/re-arranged fixtures must have his approval. Guests: Teams should only use their contracted riders if a suitable guest is not available. Admission prices: In an effort to increase attendances, admission at all venues will be capped at a maximum of £10. Clubs may also add an exit charge of up to £20 which fans will be required to pay before being allowed to leave the stadium. Abandoned meeting policy: If a meeting is abandoned for any reason after the meeting has started, the captains of each team will take part in an exciting new addition. Using the Barry Briggs homologated rain-off hat, 4 coloured balls will be placed inside. For every race still to be completed, the captains will take turns and whichever colour is drawn out first is deemed to have won that race, drawn 2nd is 2nd and so on. This will take place on the centregreen and fans will be invited to watch it take place for a fee of £1 per heat. Improved presentation: Before the rider introductions on the parade both teams will be required to take part in a club war cry. All music played should be from the 1980s and 'The Final Countdown' must be played before heat 15. Failure to do so will result in the meeting being awarded to the away side. Social media: Recognising this is vital all clubs will be encouraged to keep their official websites up to date with a detailed match report expected within 48 hours. To celebrate these plans it can also be revealed that a new 'Chairman Chapman' Wulfsport coat will be available from December. Pre-order now for a guarenteed Christmas delivery - the ideal present! Keep up. That's last year's AGM. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Grachan said: Keep up. That's last year's AGM. 2001 no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brylcream boy Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 Like or loath Facebook, if you click on a link for something, eg holidays, you quickly get numerous ads for holidays appear. I would not have a clue of the expense or technology involved, but someone clicked on a page for motorcar/ bike racing, an advert of speedway could pop up with an action video. I would guess the average age of folk on this forum is about 110, but the 25-35 year olds who they should be trying to attract spend every moment on Facebook. That age group would also spend on food and drink. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spl77 Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 On 10/19/2018 at 10:52 PM, The Third Man said: where is the major sponsorship package coming It was tongue in cheek! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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