Guest WTF1 Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Tsunami said: This should be a header on some threads, for the number of times it has to be explained at the beginning and end of every season. Whatever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 56 minutes ago, HerniaWise said: Whatever A thick as rubbish response. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Tsunami said: This should be a header on some threads, for the number of times it has to be explained at the beginning and end of every season. You have been involved with speedway stuff for a while,,, how many times does a lot of things need be explained ??? Have you played the 'song title game' ?,,, honestly, some are as thick as mince 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 49 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: You have been involved with speedway stuff for a while,,, how many times does a lot of things need be explained ??? Have you played the 'song title game' ?,,, honestly, some are as thick as mince I did notice you were on it quite a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WTF1 Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, ruffdiamond said: You have been involved with speedway stuff for a while,,, how many times does a lot of things need be explained ??? Have you played the 'song title game' ?,,, honestly, some are as thick as mince Whatever, That's nice. Edited November 10, 2018 by WTF1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted November 10, 2018 Report Share Posted November 10, 2018 14 hours ago, HerniaWise said: Whatever Thanks for informed reply, does it mean you now understand or not? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thbender Posted November 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2018 On 11/6/2018 at 1:19 AM, BluPanther said: Will never happen, it's dying a death and there is no way back ... They said that about rugby league in the 1980s; they said it about cricket for decades; in 2015 it was alleged (by none other than Damon Hill) that Formula 1 was dying. Every sport has a 'BluPanther' who tells everyone else what can't be done. The truth is, if we all listened to nature's 'BluPanthers' they'd probably be proved right. It's lucky for us there are still people with drive, commitment and ideas. I'll throw my lot in with the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 10, 2018 Report Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 minute ago, 4thbender said: They said that about rugby league in the 1980s; they said it about cricket for decades; in 2015 it was alleged (by none other than Damon Hill) that Formula 1 was dying. Every sport has a 'BluPanther' who tells everyone else what can't be done. The truth is, if we all listened to nature's 'BluPanthers' they'd probably be proved right. It's lucky for us there are still people with drive, commitment and ideas. I'll throw my lot in with the latter. You are deluded chap, nothing can be done to save a sport that delivers only 15 mins of action over two hours. They find it boring, it's that simple... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted November 10, 2018 Report Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 hour ago, BluPanther said: You are deluded chap, nothing can be done to save a sport that delivers only 15 mins of action over two hours. They find it boring, it's that simple... I'm inclined to agree. Not about the chap being deluded but about 15 mins action in 2 hours being viewed as boring. If I went to a gig and heard 5 (3 minute) songs in two hours I'd not go again. So is the answer more heats per meeting? Say 20 or 24? Could solve the problem of doubling up if each rider had extra rides per meeting? But the ticket price would need to rise and whilst it's not unusual to charge more for a better product it would be a bold move. Or more simplistically run 15 heats in an hour..... …..but then there's a danger interval sales of Bovril would decrease. Until promoters realise the product is flawed in a society in which most things are instant they'll only ever be re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. At least they acknowledged it last season with heats supposedly starting within 2 minutes of the previous but I still spent an awful lot of time watching tractors which didn't appear to have any material effect on the standard of racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted November 10, 2018 Report Share Posted November 10, 2018 With the lack of shale on most tracks..they like to appear to be doing something constructive,,,But if there is no dirt they are doing nothing except making meetings drag on going round and round on tractors... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 11 hours ago, enotian said: Until promoters realise the product is flawed in a society in which most things are instant they'll only ever be re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. At least they acknowledged it last season with heats supposedly starting within 2 minutes of the previous but I still spent an awful lot of time watching tractors which didn't appear to have any material effect on the standard of racing. So, will enlightenment reach the promoters this week? Time to hold your breath and hope it seems. Cross your fingers too or even pray as I do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 12 hours ago, enotian said: I'm inclined to agree. Not about the chap being deluded but about 15 mins action in 2 hours being viewed as boring. If I went to a gig and heard 5 (3 minute) songs in two hours I'd not go again. So is the answer more heats per meeting? Say 20 or 24? Could solve the problem of doubling up if each rider had extra rides per meeting? But the ticket price would need to rise and whilst it's not unusual to charge more for a better product it would be a bold move. Or more simplistically run 15 heats in an hour..... …..but then there's a danger interval sales of Bovril would decrease. Until promoters realise the product is flawed in a society in which most things are instant they'll only ever be re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. At least they acknowledged it last season with heats supposedly starting within 2 minutes of the previous but I still spent an awful lot of time watching tractors which didn't appear to have any material effect on the standard of racing. The actual racing itself is, for me, as good as I have watched.. (48 years a fan) Maybe not lots of passing (was there really ever?), but most races are at least competitive from front to back as the riders are mostly of a reasonably similar standard. (Out of their depth 'Wobblers' are now pretty much a thing of the past).. So, the 'core product' passes the test.. Sadly. All the rest of the 'show' completely undermines it.... From the ridiculously allowed contrived septets riding against other contrived septets almost nightly, through to an overall entertainment package that belongs in 'The Wheel Tappers and Shunters Working Men's Club' (look it up or ask your grandad). The sport (in Britian) is strangling itself... Let's be honest, NONE of the three leagues have any credibility therefore what is the point of running the sport as a Team Sport? Simply, you can never hope to engage your local potential customers to buy into 'their team' when invariably it changes each week and no longer is 'their team'. So why still run the sport that way? You will have very little chance of ever being successful at the turnstiles.. So. Maybe now it's time to run less meetings, with more races per meeting. At weekends... Maybe run individual competitions over three days at the same track Friday, Saturday and Sunday two or three times a season? Different Comps from kids level through to different graded levels from NL standard up to 'expert'?. Friday and Saturday being qualifiers to the main event on Sunday... Or, if you want to cling on to a team Speedway concept, run a one off National Comp in one venue the same way over three days. Bringing maybe three riders per team in a best pairs type competition.... What is happening simply isn't working so do something different.... And several well promoted, well planned, sensibly priced, well sponsored financially, Festivals Of Speedway' around the Country, all rode in front of decent crowds of several thousand rather than 'one man and his dog', has to be more positive for the sport in terms of awareness and positive branding than the, quite frankly, complete nonsense, that is currently getting served up and masquerading as a bona fide sporting competition... There are many many more thousands of ex fans of domestic speedway who attend Cardiff I would suggest, than the total amount of fans who do attend domestic speedway each week.... And there are many many more thousands than that who 'used to go' but no longer attend speedway at all.. Therefore, there is still a big market out there if it can be persuaded to come back... The racing itself can be fantastic, so Speedway in Britain needs to just find a way of doing it justice.. And the current way of doing it won't manage to do that.. Not a chance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thbender Posted November 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 17 hours ago, BluPanther said: You are deluded chap, nothing can be done to save a sport that delivers only 15 mins of action over two hours. They find it boring, it's that simple... For a sport that delivers only 15 minutes of action, it's rather remarkable that it celebrated its 90th birthday in February 2018. Don't you think that the paying punters should have twigged by now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, BluPanther said: You are deluded chap, nothing can be done to save a sport that delivers only 15 mins of action over two hours. They find it boring, it's that simple... Obviously the supporters in Poland are stupid then, or they don't get as easily bored as they do in England Edited November 11, 2018 by The Third Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 17 hours ago, BluPanther said: You are deluded chap, nothing can be done to save a sport that delivers only 15 mins of action over two hours. They find it boring, it's that simple... horse racing is having an upsurge in attendance etc and you could argue that at a flat meeting there could be 6 races of 2-3 mins each or less,they fill the dead time and provide other on course attractions,also provide comfort and usually excellent food 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 hour ago, poole keith said: horse racing is having an upsurge in attendance etc and you could argue that at a flat meeting there could be 6 races of 2-3 mins each or less,they fill the dead time and provide other on course attractions,also provide comfort and usually excellent food I have an incline that many fans of horse racing, attend because they can have a flutter, it kills a bit of time between races, etc. I'm not sure that I would attend race meetings, just to watch horses run around a field with white barriers and some with some bushes to jump over. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 4 hours ago, poole keith said: horse racing is having an upsurge in attendance etc and you could argue that at a flat meeting there could be 6 races of 2-3 mins each or less,they fill the dead time and provide other on course attractions,also provide comfort and usually excellent food That's very true Keith, there are also large amounts of alcohol consumed which seems to make the day more pleasant for many race goers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 4 hours ago, The Third Man said: Obviously the supporters in Poland are stupid then, or they don't get as easily bored as they do in England They know that Sundays is the prime day for Speedway, it encourages families to attend and creates a younger and more sustainable fan base... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 2 hours ago, BluPanther said: They know that Sundays is the prime day for Speedway, it encourages families to attend and creates a younger and more sustainable fan base... Is that why Glasgow swapped to Friday, so they could lose fans and money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 30 minutes ago, The Third Man said: Is that why Glasgow swapped to Friday, so they could lose fans and money? No idea why, maybe a Glasgow supporter could enlighten us on that one ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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