tellboy Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, Pirate Nick said: I dont know the ins and outs of rider availability but there was a lot of discussion at Torun about how many riders had gone home or were already on holiday. Meaning there might not have been a suitably averaged rider available or wanting to ride. To me this is black and white, the rule is there so whoever booked his guests first is fine its the other team that the SCB should rule must find another guest. But is was fine for Lynn to use Ellis no rule broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 He didn’t want Adam for the first leg did he? He could’ve had him for both legs originally? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, Trees said: He didn’t want Adam for the first leg did he? He could’ve had him for both legs originally? No he wanted Morris. Totally fine. But he couldn’t have Morris for the second leg so booked Ellis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, STEVENGREEN739 said: OMG - As a new poster on here I am utterly staggered at the anti-poole jealousy and envy that gets posted on here. Utterly embarrassing ! Yes, I am a Poole fan, but first and foremost i am a speedway fan. Yes, the referee made one big blunder last night, football referees make huge rickets every single week, get over it. Matt Ford has always used the rules to his advantage, but he does not make the rules, and he has never broken the rules ! If the green light has been given for Poole to use Morris at Lynn tomorrow, at Lynn's request, then he is doing nothing wrong. Of course it is not ideal, but give the man a break, he is the most pro-active promoter in the UK who tries to provide the most attractive product he can, despite the majority of other promoters consistently year on year happy to water down our incredible sport to it's current poor state. Trust me, if every club had a Matt Ford at the helm the British speedway would be in a much healthier state ! It may well do... But on his own it don't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, Steve Shovlar said: No he wanted Morris. Totally fine. But he couldn’t have Morris for the second leg so booked Ellis. True,we wanted Ellis for the 1st leg fine but everyone created about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 This is all rather tiresome now. Ill be be there tomorrow, hope we do it but just can’t see it happening to be honest. Then I think that will probably be my lot for speedway for a few years I would imagine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 20 minutes ago, STEVENGREEN739 said: OMG - As a new poster on here I am utterly staggered at the anti-poole jealousy and envy that gets posted on here. Utterly embarrassing ! Yes, I am a Poole fan, but first and foremost i am a speedway fan. Yes, the referee made one big blunder last night, football referees make huge rickets every single week, get over it. Matt Ford has always used the rules to his advantage, but he does not make the rules, and he has never broken the rules ! If the green light has been given for Poole to use Morris at Lynn tomorrow, at Lynn's request, then he is doing nothing wrong. Of course it is not ideal, but give the man a break, he is the most pro-active promoter in the UK who tries to provide the most attractive product he can, despite the majority of other promoters consistently year on year happy to water down our incredible sport to it's current poor state. Trust me, if every club had a Matt Ford at the helm the British speedway would be in a much healthier state ! This is absolutely true,with one big difference though football referees get one look at an incident in real time.Last night he had numerous replays,slow mo,different angles but still got it drastically wrong even you have said that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Ward Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 In my opinion I would much rather have seen both teams go with r/r win with your own riders or lose with your own riders and it would have stopped all of the rubbish that has been spouted on this topic. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Clive Ward said: In my opinion I would much rather have seen both teams go with r/r win with your own riders or lose with your own riders and it would have stopped all of the rubbish that has been spouted on this topic. On that I agree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Steve Shovlar said: On that I agree. Oh my god...……….. Steve did say that before whoever it was altered the rules.. See Steve, It's not wrong to give someone credit fella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Ward Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 At least the sport would have had some credibility. Even my wife thinks it’s a joke and she knows very little about speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, Clive Ward said: At least the sport would have had some credibility. Even my wife thinks it’s a joke and she knows very little about speedway. Mine too after the last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVENGREEN739 Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, tellboy said: This is absolutely true,with one big difference though football referees get one look at an incident in real time.Last night he had numerous replays,slow mo,different angles but still got it drastically wrong even you have said that. Granted, only Mr Ackroyd can explain how he came to that decision, and we will probably never get to hear that. I can only think, sadly, that he was influenced by Middlo's comments about his performance at an earlier meeting this season, as Alex Ferguson always did ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 34 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: No he wanted Morris. Totally fine. But he couldn’t have Morris for the second leg so booked Ellis. So he was well chuffed when he could then, a totally sensible outcome in the circumstances eh .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 25 minutes ago, Clive Ward said: In my opinion I would much rather have seen both teams go with r/r win with your own riders or lose with your own riders and it would have stopped all of the rubbish that has been spouted on this topic. Be a job for Lynn now with two riders out though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Trees said: So he was well chuffed when he could then, a totally sensible outcome in the circumstances eh .... You won't win Trees. There 3 options..... 1.. The blokes thick.... 2... The blokes always on a wind up... 3.. The bloke in some sort of Poole cult ( re.. Stepford wives) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Bald Bloke said: Yes. But when it was decided that swapping riders in the final couldn't happen, why didn't Poole use Adam for both meetings, keeping within the rules? Steves right mate. Sorry but what he is saying is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Ward Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 Yes as it’s turned out with also losing MPT I realise we would have had to use a guest for him but I would still have gone with r/r for NKI with Lambo Erik Ty and TJ taking a ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 38 minutes ago, therefused said: This is all rather tiresome now. Ill be be there tomorrow, hope we do it but just can’t see it happening to be honest. Then I think that will probably be my lot for speedway for a few years I would imagine Why, when was the last time you reached a final ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediman Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 Put some sense to it ELLIS / MORRIS after many people questioning the decision including me and many on this board stating how stupid it was to allow a rider to ride for two competing teams in the same final a decision had to be made. The decision had to be agreed with by a number of parties in the end commonsense prevailEd. As to whether you think Poole got the good or bad end of the deal that is open to debate but I think all would agree in the interest of the integrity of the sport the compromise though perhaps not ideal is the best arrangement. PALM TOFT/JACOBSEN From watching the meeting for my position next to the referees box when I saw the incident live I felt that Jakobsen Had got to the inside of Palm Toft who unsettled went down I didn’t think at the time and nor did some opposition fans see it as any more than a 50-50 call and some thought the KL rider might be in trouble. When watching it on TV its to me it was pretty clear that Frederik caused MPT To fall and should’ve been excluded. The referee appointed had plenty of time to make a decision with cameras and monitors there and in my opinion got it wrong. It is not the first time nor will it be the last that referees in any sport will make the wrong decision even using technology and when the imistake seems clear cut very few officials are going to admit to making mistake or justify the decision you just have to put up with it . Suggesting that collusion of any kind in this decision is unbelievable quite frankly some of the comments on here are libellous. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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